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So, is everyone ready for the Republican Jussie Smollet?
A NJ Republican psychopath appears to have hired some kind of fetish artist to scar her body as part of an elaborate hoax to fake an attack by rabid Democrats
We're using the NYPost here, I figure it is more reliable where Republican hoaxes are concerned.
I was riding my bike past that nature preserve around then. I wasn't attacked by any Antifa. Go figure.
Lol Rutgers Law.
The young Ms. Greene's motive in this is pretty unclear. She was at one time a staffer for a NJ representative, presumably from Cape May county. But so far no one is reporting really extreme kind of politics. Cape May County Republican is practically the definition of "boat owner" Republican. It's a red tribe area in the way that any wealthy white area with lots of retiree fisherman and a few small farms would be. But it's not militia country or something. It's not somewhere full of conspiracy nuts, at least it wasn't.
Have we just cracked this much? I'm a little unclear on what kind of body modification is in the offing here exactly, is that stuff semi-permanent? That's HORRIFYING. Is it that worth it to hurt the other team? False flags all seem to be so poorly executed that they don't achieve anything for the "team" attempting them.
I'm unclear on whether this story fell apart so quickly that it was never reported as actually occurring, or if the story was suppressed because of the "wrong team" associations. I never heard anything about it until I heard she was being charged for false reporting. The cover-up appears to have been so thin and weak that it fell apart almost immediately. I haven't even seen much reporting on the Jussie Smollett of it all. Is this kind of insantity so routine it doesn't even break through to the front pages anymore?
While I did think of you guys in a Running Dad way (but in one of the many variations where he's running toward instead of away from something) when I first saw this story on the interwebs and had a comment in the works, it's perhaps in somewhat of a orthogonal direction than what @RoyGBivensAction suggested.
If the allegations are true with regard to her committing a Smollett, and that this is not some sort of weird hoax or whatever: this could serve as a cautionary tale for the online right when it comes to trusting thots, given how hard the online right has been simping for figures like Sydney Sweeney lately and how there's an entire ecosystem of supposedly rightwing e-girls whose characters, surprise surprise, appear not to be too different from e-girls as a whole.
Wow, can't believe she crossed state lines. There's also some joke in there about how chicks will leave you on read while they do things like drive across states to pay someone $500 to carve up their skin, get tied up and beat up.
It's always a shame when a more than "WOULD"able chick chooses to scribble upon her skin. I also found amusing the implicit admission that doing things like prancing around in a bikini is a central aspect of a young woman's lifestyle. And indeed, "25-year-old girl": #Fightfor35.
Damn, that's cold—vicente_del_bosque.gif. I can't help but imagine Van Drew as the Wojak with the seething mask in front, but grinning behind it. Most people have never heard of you, but now you've suddenly made national news because a young former female employee got your name scrawled on her body.
Nah, 'girl' is any woman 15 years younger than the speaker. The same way my 70-year-old relatives talk about a 50-year-old as 'such a nice young man'.
I don’t know. This whole world is topsy turvy when I’ve got 20 year old girls calling me “dude” and guys much shorter than me calling me “buddy.” You’d still get a glass cracked on your head if you say that to another man where I’m from. It’s like calling someone “friend” or “homeboy” making quotation marks with both your hands at someone right before you spit at and smack them across the face. That term was always considered insulting in any context. You never call someone that.
‘Dude’? or ‘buddy’?
Reminds me of a Pratchett quote:
“Dude” is appropriate. Just in proper context and not when a woman calls you it. “Buddy” was always considered an insult where I’m from.
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