Be advised: this thread is not for serious in-depth discussion of weighty topics (we have a link for that), this thread is not for anything Culture War related. This thread is for Fun. You got jokes? Share 'em. You got silly questions? Ask 'em.
- 97
- 1
What is this place?
This website is a place for people who want to move past shady thinking and test their ideas in a
court of people who don't all share the same biases. Our goal is to
optimize for light, not heat; this is a group effort, and all commentators are asked to do their part.
The weekly Culture War threads host the most
controversial topics and are the most visible aspect of The Motte. However, many other topics are
appropriate here. We encourage people to post anything related to science, politics, or philosophy;
if in doubt, post!
Check out The Vault for an archive of old quality posts.
You are encouraged to crosspost these elsewhere.
Why are you called The Motte?
A motte is a stone keep on a raised earthwork common in early medieval fortifications. More pertinently,
it's an element in a rhetorical move called a "Motte-and-Bailey",
originally identified by
philosopher Nicholas Shackel. It describes the tendency in discourse for people to move from a controversial
but high value claim to a defensible but less exciting one upon any resistance to the former. He likens
this to the medieval fortification, where a desirable land (the bailey) is abandoned when in danger for
the more easily defended motte. In Shackel's words, "The Motte represents the defensible but undesired
propositions to which one retreats when hard pressed."
On The Motte, always attempt to remain inside your defensible territory, even if you are not being pressed.
New post guidelines
If you're posting something that isn't related to the culture war, we encourage you to post a thread for it.
A submission statement is highly appreciated, but isn't necessary for text posts or links to largely-text posts
such as blogs or news articles; if we're unsure of the value of your post, we might remove it until you add a
submission statement. A submission statement is required for non-text sources (videos, podcasts, images).
Culture war posts go in the culture war thread; all links must either include a submission statement or
significant commentary. Bare links without those will be removed.
If in doubt, please post it!
Rules
- Courtesy
- Content
- Engagement
- When disagreeing with someone, state your objections explicitly.
- Proactively provide evidence in proportion to how partisan and inflammatory your claim might be.
- Accept temporary bans as a time-out, and don't attempt to rejoin the conversation until it's lifted.
- Don't attempt to build consensus or enforce ideological conformity.
- Write like everyone is reading and you want them to be included in the discussion.
- The Wildcard Rule
- The Metarule

Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
Notes -
Young masters! This week, my tireless solitary cultivation was disrupted by an unexpected qi deviation; it seems the ambient Fieryheart Miasma I had carelessly suppressed before chose this inconvenient time to manifest as a physical tribulation. Alas, my grasp of the dao proved insufficient to halt this invasion. No choice had been left to me but to descend from the mountain of daily toil and enter a healing trance, conserving my strength and consuming lots of
ibuprofenFive-element Spirit Suppression Pills prescribed to me by my faithful healer. Until my qi is once again flowing freely as a shallow stream, I have chosen to meditate; as I did, a new frontier has opened itself to me, and from my ailing body I released my unyielding spirit to roam the rivers and lakes of the jianghu....This is a long way of saying I came down with a fever and put some suddenly-freed time into Where Winds Meet this week. This game is... weird; part Genshin, part MMO, part Elden Ring, and ALL wuxia, painfully so. I was always an uncultured gweilo with no experience of cultivationslop and weak understanding of dao, initially skipping most of the dialogue due to chatbot PTSD and inability to differentiate Chinese names, they blend together way too much, I am already bad with names my entire life but god damn Chinese names are on another level. It's also not really an MMO as I'd expected it to be, the solo mode is entirely playable as a proper game, and the core game itself is quite literally Chinese Skyrim x Elden Ring with a dash of Sekiro, with all that entails.
Despite the uh, novel (for me personally) setting, I am very impressed with this game so far, and it blows my mind that AFAICT almost no attempts at marketing the global launch were made (this game is apparently out in China for like a year already), and I learned of this game entirely at random from the usual suspects. This is absolutely an AAA-tier game (in fact calling it AAA almost insults it, Western AAAslop wishes it had this level of pure sovl) that is incredible graphics-wise and completely free to actually play, monetized entirely through battle passes and boatloads of cosmetics as Asian MMOs are wont to do.
A big draw of this game is IMO the combat, the Elden Ring/Sekiro comparison above is not an exaggeration. You can choose difficulty for single-player at the start, and being the "god gamer" I am I chose Legend difficulty, which juices up enemy hp/posture bars and damage; you can also adjust difficulty as you go, but once you lower the difficulty from Legend, you can never return to it again, and the flaming-red HP bar and little neuron activation badge counting how many bosses you killed on Legend are stripped from you in disgrace. It was not too bad over the course of the campaign, the high damage incentivizes you to actually git gud with Sekiro-style deflections, but eventually one of the chapter-end bosses filtered me hard; after 2-3 hours I kowtowed in shame, swallowing my pride and switching down to Expert just to get an actual chance (and progress the story at all). It became painfully apparent that I am but a carp that thinks himself a dragon, yet cannot fight against the stream. This junior is still leagues away from Mt. Tai.
In hindsight I might've gotten overleveled and scaled the world too hard (which you can roll back but it only occurred to me after accepting my defeat), you're probably not supposed to be 52/55 at the end of Qinghe, but monkey see side quest, monkey do, main story who? Just like Skyrim and its ilk I spent like 80% of the time getting distracted and doing random side shit, and boy there is a lot of side shit. If Kaifeng was not gated by MSQ I might not have ever bothered with it, though I must note that the final chapter of the first area is absolute xinema from start to finish and I regret nothing. I think I'm starting to get the appeal of hilariously over-the-top powerscaling and aesthetic overload, might actually pick up a novel at this rate.
I have not tried PVP but it exists, I hear you can even get invaded if you have a bounty on your head, but this young master is an upstanding citizen. Looking forward to trying raids and dungeons with pugs, it's been a long time since I last raged at DPS retards from the backline.
Anecdotes in no particular order as I flip through my screenshots folder:
yetbut 4chan provides (this villain was later summarily punished for his crimes; truly there is justice in the jianghu)TL;DR even as an uncultured gweilo I kowtow before the sheer magnitude of unadulterated SOVL put into this game. From how this game blindsided me, I expect the enjoyment goes up tenfold if you're actually into wuxia/xianxia; I heartily recommend it to others with a passing interest/literacy in the subject, and just straight up ping @self_made_human @sodiummuffin. My only complaints so far are no staff/unarmed weapon style (like really, I can't beat ass with a stick or throw hands in a game entirely about martial arts?) and the horrendous mess of an UI, navigating the menu hell is still far from instinctive even after ~20 hours in the game.
If any mottizens play this my UID is 2038686834, ask for "Skysong" Xian.
..can you play the game without the character looking ridiculous bc of wearing weird clothing with tons of ribbons and shit?
There is clothing with very few ribbons and shit, although perhaps not available immediately.
More options
Context Copy link
More options
Context Copy link
More options
Context Copy link