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Culture War Roundup for the week of January 5, 2026

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A woman in Minneapolis has been killed in an altercation with ICE. I don’t really trust any of the narratives being spun up. Here are two three angles:

Angle 1

Angle 2 [Twitter] [youtube]

Angle 3 (Emerged as I was writing this)

This is actually a fairly discussed type of shooting. Law enforcement confronts a person in a vehicle, the LEO positions himself in front of the vehicle, the person in the vehicle drives forward, and the cop shoots the person. Generally, courts have found that this is a legitimate shoot. The idea being that a car can be as deadly a weapon as anything.

Those who are less inclined to give deference to law enforcement argue that fleeing the police shouldn’t be a death sentence, and that usually in these situations the LEO has put himself in front of the vehicle.

I have a long history of discussing shooters in self-defense situations [1] [2] [3] and also one of being anti-LEO. However, I’m softer on the anti-LEO front in the sense that within the paradigm in which we exist, most people think the state should enforce laws, and that the state enforcing laws = violence.

The slippery slope for me: “Fleeing police shouldn’t be a death sentence”

“Resisting arrest shouldn’t be a death sentence”

“If you just resist hard enough, you should be able to get away with it”

People really try to divorce the violence from state action, but the state doesn’t exist without it.

You guys have all gotten so into the weeds about the mechanics of the individual shooting that you’re missing the big Fort Sumpter style moves that are going on right now:

•There’s something like 3000 federal law enforcement offers deployed in Minneapolis right now

•Mainstream media, Reddit, and various politicians have incited multiple assassination attempts on these officers

•Relatively photogenic citizen non-felon in gunned down in ambiguous situation, there is now a bloody shirt to waive

•Mayor and Governor are now calling for the removal of all federal agents from Minneapolis

•Governor Walz is now threatening to use the Minnesota National Guard to remove federal agents from the city, setting the stage for conflicting guard federalizations and call up orders

•You will have an armed unit of the state/federal military apparatus actually having to pick a side in a legally ambiguous situation

•You will have armed state/municipal police facing off against armed federal agents with the national guard caught somewhere in the middle

This is not good. No matter who’s fault it is, this is not good.

Photogenic woman whose last name is Good. Hard to imagine a name more suited for emotionally-charged polemics.

Kind of shocking, how does a young mother decide to try to use her car to block ICE? Do these people have no sense these are dangerous activities?

It’s kind of interesting to me that the last story I remember hearing about an ICE shooting was also a woman (who survived). Why are women doing this? Do they have some sense of invincibility?

I suspect she never got The Talk. I got it in Driver's Ed class: if you're ever stopped by police, keep your hands at 10 and 2 on the wheel, and be polite: "Good [time of day] officer, what seems to be the problem?". You can disagree politely, but you're not going to win any arguments at that point: if you do well, a lawyer can get things tossed out later, though.

Of course, I'm not sure women normally get that one.

I've never even heard of this as being a special thing that is taught.

I was taught- stay in your vehicle, be polite, let them know if you have a gun but otherwise say nothing except direct answers to questions with no further details. Do not let them search your vehicle without a warrant.

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