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Culture War Roundup for the week of January 5, 2026

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If that is so, it should knock on the head the narrative that "she was only an innocent passer-by, driving home with her wife after dropping her kid off at school, a stranger to the city who wandered into the middle of this by mistake".

It should, but arguments are soldiers and ONLY that. The comments on the David French column about this demonstrate this pretty clearly.

e.g. from "Cece"

Remember this phrase. Officer-created jeopardy. “Intentionally placing oneself in the path of an operating vehicle is considered an "officer-created jeopardy". This action can undermine any later claim that the use of deadly force (such as shooting at the driver) was necessary for self-defense, as the officer voluntarily created the dangerous situation.”

We know from the videos this didn't happen. Doesn't matter. Gets repeated over and over.

from "Niko"

If Ms. Good had intended to hit or run over the officer, she would have driven forward. The moment she initially reversed, the officer must have known he was not in danger. He clearly drew his gun to prevent her from fleeing.

We know from the videos the officer did not draw his weapon until she started going forwards.

From "SD"

From the video, there is no way Ms. Good was trying to weaponize her vehicle. She was just driving away.

No way? She did actually hit him. Whether that was her intent is not proven, but certainly the video does not rule it out. Of course, despite this having been shown from several angles (and heard), plenty of people still insist he wasn't hit.

From "OG MD"

Unfortunately, ICE is not law enforcement and have no jurisdiction against a US citizen and certainly had no legal right to physically remove Ms. Good from her vehicle without a court order.

Good thing this wasn't OG JD because that's all false.

From "Don't Think Twice"

Renee Good’s wife is reported to have said, “We had whistles. They had guns.” That sums it up for me. You don’t shoot someone whose choice of protest weapon is a whistle.

No, her choice of a weapon was a Honda Pilot. Even if she didn't mean to hit the officer, she was using it to engage in her blockade tactics.

And from "Back to MN"

ICE agents here in MSP seem to be purposely engaging in the practice of surrounding someone in their car and then intentionally giving conflicting orders, so the target is not complying no matter what they do.

We've got video and audio that clearly reveals that the orders she was given were "Get out of the car" and "Get out of the fucking car". These aren't conflicting.

Evidence doesn't matter; there is only narrative.

Normally (i.e. not under Trump) the way this would play out is law enforcement and the administration would refuse to comment. The protestor story would be the only one which got around. Then some months later when the officer was acquitted, people would be shocked and there'd be another round of protests. The Trump administration is trying something different -- backing up their officer to hyperbolic lengths. I'm not sure if that's better, but the old way wasn't working.

Renee Good’s wife is reported to have said, “We had whistles. They had guns.”

I don't know a delicate way to put this, so I'll just bull ahead. How effin' stupid do you have to be to turn up to a protest where you are facing "This is Fascist Dictator Disappearing Torture Regime", believing in the dogma that the cops/ICE/jackbooted thugs have carte blanche to shoot anyone they like particularly the black and brown, that you are putting yourself in real danger, and yet... not expect that anything bad will happen? "We have whistles and they have guns" - then either get guns yourself or have realistic expectations of injury or death.

I thought the guys in the Rittenhouse case were fools but even they (or at least one of them) turned up with a gun. That's criminal, but it's not entirely stupid and is at least consistent with what you believe: the pigs and their lackeys have guns and intend to shoot us, we're gonna shoot back.

The answer is that they believe ICE isn't allowed to do anything to US citizens. This is wrong; they can arrest US citizens who interfere with their operations. But they don't really believe this is what they say it is.

I don't know a delicate way to put this, so I'll just bull ahead. How effin' stupid do you have to be to turn up to a protest where you are facing "This is Fascist Dictator Disappearing Torture Regime", believing in the dogma that the cops/ICE/jackbooted thugs have carte blanche to shoot anyone they like particularly the black and brown, that you are putting yourself in real danger, and yet... not expect that anything bad will happen?

These Leftists have their own discussion forum / echo chamber, and anyone who raises this kind of point will be instantly banned/shadowbanned/excommunicated/etc. That's the price you pay for assabiyah - obvious inconsistencies and other flaws in your group's reasoning get swept under the rug.

I don't know a delicate way to put this, so I'll just bull ahead. How effin' stupid do you have to be to turn up to a protest where you are facing "This is Fascist Dictator Disappearing Torture Regime", believing in the dogma that the cops/ICE/jackbooted thugs have carte blanche to shoot anyone they like particularly the black and brown, that you are putting yourself in real danger, and yet... not expect that anything bad will happen? "We have whistles and they have guns" - then either get guns yourself or have realistic expectations of injury or death.

From a Certain Point of View, them turning up to #Resist despite the real danger only further illustrates how Stunning and Brave they are, that they as the plucky outgunned underdogs had the courage to go up against the Fascist Dictator Disappearing Torture Regime that has license to kill, that their presence and white privilege could at least make the Stormtroopers hesitate before gunning down black and brown bodies. Outnumbered Rebels with lightsabers against a Galactic Empire with spaceships and laser blasters.

I can respect protesters who show up even where they do realise they're in actual danger. I don't know what to think of protesters who think they can claim it's the Evil Evil Stormtrooper Show which they are protesting, and yet at the same time that they can behave with maximum irritating nonsense but nothing can or will happen to them, because - that's not fair? "I can yell abuse, slurs, make loud noises, throw things, and behave worse than a four year old having a sugar-fuelled meltdown, but they have to be nice to me and stand there and take it even though they are the low-IQ violent murder monsters who are going around murdering and assaulting people"????

I genuinely don't get it.

Perhaps they think that ICE are paper tigers - not actual Stormtroopers but wannabe-Stormtroopers who are in truth no better than schoolyard bully, and will fall apart if someone is on hand to puncture their delusions of grandeur? Perhaps they take the "white privilege" stuff a little too literally, and genuinely believe that although they have no scruples about assaulting innocent blacks and Hispanics, ICE's own white-supremacy forbid them to ever lay a finger on a white blonde?

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