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In talking to blue people IRL, my sampling so far is:
Quite frankly, if we were all on the same page about doing deportations quickly, we wouldn't even have much of an argument.
I'm seeing more framing like you're presenting here. Transparently, I don't believe it. People don't show up to these protests to prove they aren't intimidated. None of the people protesting are going to be stopped by ICE's detention or deportation. The most charitable way I can frame it is that they view illegal immigrants as the people working at their favorite mexican place or mowing their yard and think it makes their cause righteous.
In reality, it's just garden-variety TDS. The anti-ICE riots are happening exclusively in blue cities where a critical mass of people and opinions are relishing the opportunity to get in a fight with agents of the state they view as extensions of Trump himself. But of course, they'd riot if he offered free ice cream.
I mean, look at this framing from NPR: "A Third of people arrested by ICE have no Criminal record". Are we for real here? ICE's track record so far is such that even wildly dishonest, leftist institutions admit that 66% of them are criminals, and now we're talking about why we need to stop that activity?
The new argument ("We just want smart deportations") is because moderates do grok how insane it is to be using cars as weapons, to wrestle with cops while carrying a gun, and then to pretend like you're a victim. I've only heard it in the past 3 days. And I say this while believing that Saturday's shoot was not a good one - it's a huge bummer that he got killed, and it looks like a mistake more than anything else.
The admin shouldn't worry about the hardcore Democrats who weren't going to vote red anyway. The admin also shouldn't be worrying about trying to appeal to the hardcore GOP base who is going to vote regardless.
The people who matter are the moderates and centrists who make up an increasing number of independent identified voters. Elections are very close, look at the swing states and just how few percentages of voters needed to have shifted for a dem win instead in 2024. Pennsylvania needed only .85% of voters who voted for Trump to instead go for Harris for instance.
That's right, if you piss off less than a percentage of voters then you could lose the state instead of win. And as Nate Silver points out Trump is losing the normies on immigration. The normies and independents don't want violent criminals in the country and you win them on the topic if you handle that. But they don't have much of an issue with Maria the house cleaner, Jose the roofer, and the nice abuela across the street. And if you go after Maria, Jose and the abuela, they'll sour on you as we're seeing now. And they might not like disruptive protests too much, but they also don't like the feds beating up and shooting people either.
This site is filled with overly online internet addicts fetishizing over some sort of race war roleplay, while the average normie voter is way more moderate. They want low prices, they want good jobs, and they don't want to see a bunch of scary violence. There's a reason why Trump with his better political instincts is pivoting away after this fiasco, because he knows seeing a bunch of masked agents shooting people is scary and a bad look.
I wasn't going to say anything, but you're the one who called me a Nazi, and I want to get ahead of your pedantry and say that you pretending to be a moderate is a pretense no one believes. Your condescending argument is an insincere tactic. You would never make an appeal to moderation for any of the left's sacred cows.
And then you insult the users of the Motte. You really saying that the people around here are worse than Reddit? Than Facebook? Than X, than 4chan? Where is this mythical bar of virtue that we fall short of? Aren't you in this picture, Mr. Calls Other People Nazis? Aren't you equally shitting up discourse?
Get off your high horse, man.
Lol nice try dude, it was you who essentially called yourself a Nazi with the quote
And I was asking you if you were serious about calling yourself a Nazi
Because obviously I don't expect random sane people to be doing that.
It doesn't even matter if I was or not, you're not gonna change what the polls are showing. The normies are turning on Trump's agenda.
Not only did I never say the people here are "worse" than any other site, but this comparison wouldn't make sense to begin with. Those sites are large with millions of users, overarching statements about them don't make much sense.
Basically everyone uses Facebook in some capacity, from the retarded 80 IQ criminals to stuff like 140 IQ doctors, rocket scientists, and programmers. How could I rank them much at all then? Your experience on X, Facebook, Instagram, etc depends almost entirely on what communities you hang out in and talk with.
I will quote Amadan:
And you still don't seem to understand that. Nothing has changed. I know you're coping and seething and still calling everyone that disagrees with you a Nazi. I bring it up just in case anyone accidentally takes you seriously.
Most normal non Nazi people do not say that being a Nazi is a reasonable thing to them because most normal non Nazis do not think the Nazis were reasonable.
Regardless, I clearly did not say that you were a Nazi, I was asking if you were because [refer back to the first sentence].
"Source: I made it up" Considering you can't actually even point to a time I called you a Nazi, it's exceptionally weird to make this unproven claim that you "know" it.
I will quote you directly. The passive voice does not exonerate you. Your continued shamelessness in the face of your own words only proves my point.
It’s not that egregious IMO, not like you would see Nazi accusations on Reddit. It was just sort of a glib or snarky response to your comment. It didn’t seem overly serious
"Ha ha, I was only calling you a Nazi as a joke!"
Oh, so it's okay to joke about Nazis now. I will keep this in mind.
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