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Culture War Roundup for the week of January 26, 2026

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You've certainly got your soldiers lined up in an impressive defense in depth. But reality does not care.

If You Have The Means At Hand, You Have The Responsibility To Help.

Rejected. The able are not the proper slaves of the needy.

Alice is 5' 2"/157 cm. Bob is 6' 3"/190 cm.

Expecting Bob to get something off a high shelf for Alice does not make Bob Alice's slave.

Years ago, anthropologist Margaret Mead was asked by a student what she considered to be the first sign of civilization in a culture. The student expected Mead to talk about fishhooks or clay pots or grinding stones.

But no. Mead said that the first sign of civilization in an ancient culture was a femur (thighbone) that had been broken and then healed. Mead explained that in the animal kingdom, if you break your leg, you die. You cannot run from danger, get to the river for a drink or hunt for food. You are meat for prowling beasts. No animal survives a broken leg long enough for the bone to heal.

A broken femur that has healed is evidence that someone has taken time to stay with the one who fell, has bound up the wound, has carried the person to safety and has tended the person through recovery. Helping someone else through difficulty is where civilization starts, Mead said.

Rejecting the notion that the more able ought to help the less able is rejecting civilisation itself.

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In addition to Corvos' point, civilization has also historically required the less able to defer to the more able. It's a two-way street; The able help and do a disproportionate share of the work, and in turn, get status and power, the less able give up status and power in exchange for being provided for.

Modern societies' insistence that you can get one half without the other is partially a sham, and partially the thing that is killing it.

civilization has also historically required the less able to defer to the more able.

People have historically done lots of things that they ought not to have.

The able help and do a disproportionate share of the work, and in turn, get status and power, the less able give up status and power in exchange for being provided for.

Almost, but not quite.

If you have the ability to help someone, and you help them, you deserve appreciation. In extraordinary cases, you deserve prestige. You are not entitled to dominance, and you sure as hell aren't entitled to dominance over the people you helped.

I assume you are familiar with the phrase "with great power comes great responsibility." Do you recognize that it runs the other way as well? With great responsibility, comes great power? If so, what's the difference between power and dominance? If not, why not?

I assume you are familiar with the phrase "with great power comes great respons[i]bility."

I am familiar with that phrase. Part of the responsibility is to not use that power to do bad things. Reducing someone else to a state of subjugation, for no other reason than that you can, is a bad thing.

Reducing someone else to a state of subjugation, for no other reason than that you can, is a bad thing

And yet you actively believe this should be done, because the practical means of enforcing

it is the principle that If You Have The Means At Hand, You Have The Responsibility To Help.

creates a contradiction, since the result of that subjugates those categorized as Having The Means.

Being expected to contribute to your neighbour's well being is not subjugation. Conan the Barbarian's desire to crush the adjacent tribe, see them driven before him, and hear the lamentations of their women is not the same thing as expecting that if you have more food than you could possibly eat before it spoils, and your neighbour is near the point of dying from hunger, you ought to share you food with him.

Being expected to contribute to your neighbour's well being is not subjugation.

But being forced to do so because someone else thought I should is. I seem to be forced to do that a lot these days, especially due to the below. (It's also not just goods or labor I'm expected to contribute; I'm also required to forego the benefits of my private virtue, usually referred to as 'freedom', when that neighbor can't handle it.)

and your neighbour is near the point of dying from hunger, you ought to share you food with him.

I'll trade an "ought" only provided an effective solution for the moral hazard that is "I'll eat all my food beforehand because someone else will be forced at gunpoint to share it with me after it is gone" exists.

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