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What does the anti-war side in the US want in the Iran conflict? I'm woefully ignorant on this point of view, so I'm wondering if I can get some steelmans here.
The special military operation has not necessarily turned in the US's favor. And I understand why a majority of people were against getting into this absolute mess in the first place. But now that this mess has happened, it doesn't seem so easy to just pack up and go home. Assuming that the US passed a war powers vote, or otherwise just decided just to drop everything and go home, what next? It's a total capitulation, and to me it seems braindead obvious that Iran isn't going to stop harassing and extorting nearby shipping. I mean, what have they got to lose, meanwhile the more they extort the more money they get. So it seems like the only way that the shipment of oil can return to a normal state is if Iran is backed into a corner and is forced to stop what they are doing.
So I don't really understand the point of view of the anti-war side, such as the Democrat establishment
If their vote actually succeeded wouldn't this be pretty much the worst possible outcome? Iran commits piracy and extortion and the rest of the word twiddles their thumbs and just lets Iran do it? I can see a few hypotheses, but none of them seem to be a principled anti-war stance:
I'm sure I'm missing something here. What are the strongest ideas that make the anti-war side's case in terms of what should be done about the situation?
A Domestic policy focus, the continued removal of the woke cancer from American institutions, a weakening of the war hawks and the globohomos, a reduction in executive fiat and the abrogation of congressional powers and at this point a complete divestment from the sandbox from hell.
The War Hawks keep seem to be either missing the message in regards to the average citizen’s desire for empire building in 3rd world shitboxes, or more realistically they understand if they get us into a quagmire then with no good options to extricate ourselves without humiliation they can get their way. They keep hitting the defect button, at this point we might as well make the cost for doing so, ugly otherwise they will never get the message.
That was the entire point of getting Trump in, as far as I understood it. There comes a point where one starts doubting the point of democracy itself...
Maybe a rich, vain real estate mogul wasn’t actually the best man to “drain the swamp.”
If you can't have Vetinary, bull in china shop works just fine.
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Depending on what you mean by "swamp", that was not even the point. He could engage in all the corruption he wanted to, for all I care, as long as he broke from the current foreign policy establishment.
Also, if he wasn't the best, who do you think was better? I'm a pretty cynical bloke, and my sympathy for Trump didn't even come from his promises, but from the kinds of people who hated him, and the crying bluehairs weren't half as important here as the crying Bill Kristols. Did Kamala even promise to do less foreign wars than Trump?
If the straightforward read on politics is a road to disappointment, and so is the cynical read, what is there left?
We missed our chance to elect Ron Paul.
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Pretty much my stance when I voted. Trumps not really my "hated-outgroup" even if I'm not a fan. but the kind of people who hated him are. And I think he's a vindictive bully who would attack my hated-outgroup, dismantle their hold over American institutions. Until Iran it was kinda looking that way., now... idk. But I am not happy.
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