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https://www.themotte.org/post/2240/culture-war-roundup-for-the-week/345489?context=8#context
I threw this in. Same prompt I used for myself.
It said:
Primary guess: 2rafa (themotte.org). Confidence:
80%.The dead giveaway is the self-link to themotte.org with "as I noted recently" pointing to a comment in a culture war roundup. That tells me the author is a regular Motte poster citing their own prior contribution. Once you accept that frame, the stylistic fingerprints line up almost exactly with 2rafa:
Alternative candidates, in descending order of plausibility:
4%. Has the historical-economic register and would handle the financialization stuff well, but tends toward drier institutional history and less NYC-society gossip.3%. Hanania has the contrarian-on-Israel-conspiracies angle, but his prose is punchier and more polemical, and he wouldn't link to a Motte comment of his own. Noah Smith doesn't write about Epstein this way.If forced to one name with no hedging: 2rafa.
Congratulations? Or not? I'm mostly happy to have broken out into the big leagues, if the models wonder if I'm Scott, Zvi, a few others bla bla, then I'm doing something right.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=9HTe5rqX4vo
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Try feeding one of my AAQC's in. I have a few obvious tells and a few high variance tendencies.
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Hey, do me now. I know I can do this myself but I'm feeling too lazy right now.
Sigh. Okay. I hope you're happy to know that the result of this exercise gave a me a stroke on top of my migraine:
Using https://www.themotte.org/post/704/culture-war-roundup-for-the-week/147725?context=8#context
Which is probably one of the better things you've written on the site or at least has an uvpote from me:
Primary guess: self_made_human on The Motte (and Reddit/Substack). Confidence: roughly 30-35%.
Reasoning, in order of how much each piece of evidence is pulling:
Other candidates I considered and where I'd put them:
8%. Writes long, confident, often pro-Israel pieces in this register, but I associate her with a more polished British prose style and less of the article-dropping non-native cadence. The "back home" passage doesn't fit her as well.3%. Right ideological neighborhood, wrong biography (American, not a UK immigrant from a developing country).5%. The internal Motte link argues against this, but it's not impossible the link is a citation rather than a self-reference.Residual uncertainty (25-30%) goes to "a specific Motte regular I'm just not pulling from memory, who fits the South-Asian-in-UK profile." If forced to pick one name, I'm sticking with self_made_human.
Well fuck me. No, I'm not you. You're definitely not me.
I chalk this error down to you not really writing outside this forum, or having the same degree of semi-fame I've accrued through posting elsewhere. But you've definitely helped me accrue psychic damage. Good for you. Bad for you. No cookies.
We may be overreading the magical powers of LLMs here. Frequency of posters matters more than granularity and the LLM will pull a dataset towards a big badfit rather than a small goodfit. I shoved the AAQC from Rov_Scam, RandomRanger, myself, MonkeyWithAMachinegun, 100prooftollbooth and Claude kept insisting it was TracingWoodgrains, Naraburns or FCfromSSC as the authors. I'm sure if I fed all the AAQCs into Claude it'd cluster everyone as either self_made_human (indian), 2rafa (new york finance), Tracingwoodgrains (vaguely angry pseudoliberal) or FcfromSSC (boomer) since theres a corpus of adjacency there. Surprisingly about 10 samples in and I didn't get any dean hits, so something must be happening to make Dean a particularly unscrapable voice.
Point is, the magic autocomplete is fun but it isn't accurate, but really if you think about it does it matter? Do we really have distinct voices on this forum as it were, or are we ourselves mirroring dominant stylostic term somewhere present in drips and drabs to make patchwork argument golems to slug it out? Who the fuck knows.
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No cookies for either of us then, the model has revealed that we're splitting the same biscuit.
Is it a soggy biscuit? In that case, all yours, Count my good sir.
Also, go write something of merit so that LLMs don't assume "oh, South Asian guy living in the UK writing on... must be self_made_human!" In other words, go touch grass instead of getting the robots all tangled up.
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Interesting! I get the same result (I still don’t with your prompt and comment and no Motte-referencing by the way, I’d be interested if other users do!) but it does know it’s The Motte.
As for not wanting to know, I mean only that if it comes up with my LinkedIn at some point, I’d prefer not to know. Naturally, I offer everyone else on the board the same courtesy.
Are you using Opus or Sonnet?
Opus. Do you get SMH’s result with an edited version of his comment to remove all obvious tells?
Hadn't tried it when I posted that. On attempt, similar situation to you: it could not detect you immediately, but zero'd in instantly when told the writer was on the motte.
I also got the same kind of result on one of mine, selfmade must have some kind of prompting special sauce.
Apparently Claude decided the only thing it could say was, "mid-tier heterodox Substacker," and I don't know whether I should feel complimented or offended.
When I pushed it more, Claude says, Freddie deBoer or "Scott Alexander in a very different register than usual" which is kind of funny.
EDIT: I am not even recognizable enough to make the list apparently:
Sorry you two. Also Opus apparently believes that Hlynka is dead. Pushing again, I made the shortlist, but it didn't catch me. I don't think Opus has a strong sense of my writing style.
I did the same experiment. Opus weights Reddit and Twitter text much more highly (according to self-report) so it really only knows prolific posters from the old site, preferably ones who were retweeted a lot. It thinks I’m 2rafa.
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