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Glossing over the more schizophrenic parts of this…argument? narrative? since you appear to still be editing:
TFR doesn’t have to be the new hot topic. If it’s going to be, I’d like to see some discussion on the actual moral grounding. Why should I care if my one child is outnumbered by less intelligent, more credulous, or other colors of children? Quality over quantity.
Otherwise, this thread will devolve into handwringing about how poorly Western society treats its straight white males. Just like the last couple.
It literally doesn't work that way when it comes to genetics. Maybe in the scope of different species and niches, but within a single species, it's simply incorrect. There is no amount of quality to overcome the inevitability of quantities.
As for why. Do you think you are a good person? Do you want more people like you, or fewer people like you? Most people want more people who they like, and fewer people they don't like. You're basically saying you want fewer people you like, and more people you don't like. That's backwards, and deserves justification in itself, especially if you want anyone else to share the sentiment.
Unless you hate yourself, hate your family, hate your people, you should want more of them, not less of them, in the future. And if you do truly hate yourself, well, I'm not going to stop you from solving that problem, but I'm also not going to listen to what you have to say.
I think he meant "quality over quanitity" as bringing up the idea of: why try to increase the TFR of the other colors/less intelligent, causing them to (relatively) outnumber your children? It doesn't obviously benefit your genes.
And "if you disagree with me, it's because you hate yourself and your people, so you should off yourself." isn't charitable, or interesting. Maybe something poetic instead, about not reproducing = casually discarding a project a thousand generations in the making, idk.
No, I was trying to head off the argument that we have to boost (white) TFR to keep the barbarians off the gates. That the West will fall apart without a nice supply of white babies. It assumes a level of race-to-the-bottom racial spoils which I find overblown.
I’d be satisfied if I had one family of descendants alive 1,000 years from now. That’s success! Doing better than that is a bonus, but not one worth handwringing over.
Are there good examples of multi-ethnic democracies where this has resoundingly not occurred?
Mexico and Brazil and the Philippines. Singapore. Turkey was an example when it was still a democracy. Canada up until recently.
Singapore literally only exists as a sovereign nation because catastrophic ethnic conflict happened between that city and the rest of Malaysia, and then it had a dictator impose authoritarian segregation rules which still bind for the exact purpose of keeping ethnic tension under control. It's not a good example of ethnic tension not being a huge deal.
"Up until recently" is also an anti-example; @netstack was claiming the bailey of "it won't happen ever", not the motte of "it won't happen within a few years", and contesting the bailey is valid.
Anti-segregation rules, not segregation rules. HDB allocation enforces ethnic balance at the block level.
I mean, the cases I was thinking of were the illegality of proselytisation (which seems to me an attempt to both reduce interracial annoyance and avoid the rapid demographic shifts which evangelism enables and which can lead to people deciding violence is a good solution), and to the at-least-partial school segregation I observed the one time I was there (I was representing Australia in a maths competition run by Singapore's Chinese High School, and, um, that's actually its name), though admittedly I don't know to what extent the latter is actually a legal thing.
Thanks for the additional info, though.
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