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Culture War Roundup for the week of June 22, 2026

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And another culture (and shooting) war event happening right now, event of more importance than the pathetic one in Montreal.

After a year (lightning speed for justice) events that happened during protest at ICE detention center in July 4, 2025 were resolved.

In rather unexpected way, by maximum possible prison sentences.

Benjamin Song, who fired the gun at the police officer, was sentenced to 100 years in prison. Song was convicted of attempted murder of an officer of the United States, as well as firearm and explosives charges. He was also convicted of riot, providing material support to terrorists. He faced anywhere from 20 years to life in prison.

Zachary Evetts, Autumn Hill, Savanna Batten, Elizabeth Soto and Meagan Morris were sentenced to 50 years in prison. Maricela Rueda, another demonstrator, was sentenced to 70 years in prison. All six were convicted of riot, providing material support to terrorist, and explosive charges. Rueda was also convicted of corruptly concealing a document or record.

Ineffectiveness of your resistance is no longer an mitigating circumstance, and using Signal is highly aggravating one.

The judge openly said that the sentences are meant to "send a message".

As expected, Xitter celebrates while Bluesky mourns. We will see if this is one time occurance, or Trump's promise to crack down on Antifa was meant seriously.

What is the evidence that they were planning to do anything more aggressive than set off fireworks and make noise and vandalize stuff? The guy who shot at the police officer is obviously a dangerous criminal but what about the rest of them? Why couldn't they have all been planning to simply protest? The Wikipedia article says guns and body armor were recovered from the suspects (not clear if they all brought that with them to they protest or they found that at their homes) but how much are we allowed to read into that in Texas?

According to the final indictment and the jury verdict:

(1) "Setting off fireworks, making noise, and vandalizing stuff" still counts as "rioting" and "using and carrying an explosive to commit a felony". Eight of the nine defendants were convicted on those charges. (The ninth defendant is the one who just hid some papers.)

(2) The prosecutor is in possession of "several group chats on an encrypted messaging app" showing that four defendants definitely were explicitly planning to bring guns, even if others were not made aware of the true plan and thought that only fireworks would be used.

The members of the Core Chat [defendants Evetts, Song, Morris, and Rueda, plus two other people not charged] planned what materials to bring to the riot and attack, including firearms, medical kits, and fireworks. For example: Evetts asked the Core Chat group whether they would be "doing black bloc and rifles". Gibson [not charged] stated that they would be wearing "bloc" and keeping "kit" on hand, "bringing a wagon to hold armor and rifles". When Rueda suggested that "rifles might make the situation more hot", Song replied that rifles would be used to intimidate law enforcement, stating: "Cops are not trained or equipped for more than one rifle, so it tends to make them back off."

Song also advertised the July 4 riot on a larger chat (the "Large Chat") but left out certain details in an effort to avoid being identified as one of the organizers.…

The Large Chat included [defendants Song, Arnold, Evetts, Morris, Rueda, and Ines Soto, plus] dozens of "trusted" individuals. Song circulated a flyer for the Prarieland riot in the Large Chat, stating: "Share with trusted folks only. Do not Post. Mask up! Be loud!" Members of the Large Chat discussed the event as a "noise demonstration" involving fireworks.

The prosecutor also alleges in-person coordination among the eight main defendants (again, not including the paper pusher) prior to the riot.

In addition to the encrypted messaging group chats, Song, Arnold, Morris, and others met in person on July 3 at a "gear check" at Morris and Arnold's residence. There, Arnold asked Song whether they would be bringing guns to the July 4 action. Song replied that they would because he would not be going to jail. Song repeated words to this effect multiple times throughout the evening, putting everyone there on notice of his intent to shoot at police rather than be arrested.

[Defendants Song, Arnold, Evetts, Morris, and Rueda, plus the uncharged Gibson,] staged at Morris and Arnold's house on the evening of July 4 and carpooled to Prairieland. [Defendants] Elizabeth Soto, Ines Soto, and Batten drove together and arrived at Prairieland a little later than Song and the others.… The Antifa Cell [of at least 11 people] brought a total of 11 firearms, four of which had been purchased by Song.

Song repeated words to this effect multiple times throughout the evening, putting everyone there on notice of his intent to shoot at police rather than be arrested.

Okay! If I was going to what I thought was a protest and the leader guy says we're all bringing guns because he's not going to jail I'd be pretty alarmed that this was not going to be an ordinary protest. I have to conclude you're either very dumb or you want to support shooting at cops if not do some shooting at cops yourself. Then you go protest and this protest is kind of rioty and the leader guy actually shoots at police. Looks bad!

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