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Culture War Roundup for the week of June 29, 2026

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The obvious issue with that hypothesis is that, in most countries, the decline in fertility started long before the invention of smart phones. I'm sure the phones play a role, but it's hard to see them being the sole causal factor. Unless "phones" here is being used as a catch-all for any kind of modern entertainment technology, including old-fashioned CRT TVs, but I get the sense that the blog author means it literally.

My own opinion is that it comes down to the changing views of women's status and place in society. Technology like phones obviously help to change that culture and spread feminist messages, but it's not directly related to phones or technology at all. A big part of it is that, in the past, there was a relative shortage of men because they tended to get killed off in wars and dangerous manual labor, but now men are the majority in younger ages and there's a scarcity of women.

The obvious issue with that hypothesis is that, in most countries, the decline in fertility started long before the invention of smart phones.

Agreed. For some groups, the fertility decline started in the 19th century.

Unless "phones" here is being used as a catch-all for any kind of modern entertainment technology, including old-fashioned CRT TVs,

This seems plausible to me. I remember hearing the advice to not have a TV in the bedroom decades ago for reason that were, ah, directly related to fertility.

As a rightist dudebro who hates modernity I wonder if the custom of installing a TV in the bedroom is driven by the adoption of the concept of the American kitchen, which makes the living room unsuitable for watching TV, which in turn drives the man in the house to watch TV in a different room.

I'm not sure what the connection of the kitchen to the living room TV is, but I think this is wrong regardless, the man of the house never watches TV in the bedroom when his wife isn't in the bedroom based on my experience with modern American family archetypes. I think "on the smartphone on the toilet" is the modern replacement for "on the sofa with the game on".

What’s special about the American kitchen?

In the open concept kitchen the noise and smell that generates in the kitchen is not contained which means the living room is of limited use. Of course, lipstick feminism sees this as a sign of progress, as the helpless wife is no longer sequestered away as a slave in chains or something.

My interpretation is that it's a reference to the open concept kitchen. The idea being that whoever is cooking (presumably the wife) can then talk to whoever is not (presumably the husband). The husband then has to flee to the bedroom to veg out.

Frank Lloyd Wright played a major role in this shift (mid century middle class people had fewer or no servants, and the biggest reason for maintaining a strongly separate room for cooking fell away), so "American" kind of makes sense, though I've not heard it called that before.

This is probably what is also driving the creation of so-called mancaves.

Anecdotally, that advice checks out.

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