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My country is not a costume, my nation is not playacting, my forefathers did not bleed and fight and die so that way everyone in the world is born American if they say aw shucks and light fireworks. They did it for their own progeny, their own sons, even the ones who married the ellis islanders. They staked their own fortunes on the outcome, and the winnings are rightfully theirs and no others.
That's the opinion of the founding fathers, too, that the nation was earned through shed blood and shared prospects, nothing else.
So the USA is the property of the descendants of the 13 colonies by right of conquest, in the same way the Venezuelan oil is?
And if other ethnicities want to share in that wealth, you would prefer them to do so not by emigrating to your country and adopting the local beliefs and customs, but through violent conquest and displacement of the indigenous population, so their claim will be as valid as your claim?
As the saying goes, civilization is not a suicide pact.
War is bloody and awful, but it's honest. Letting your better principles be the knife used to bleed you dry is not.
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Yeah, I would prefer the lie I was sold about people emigrating here and learning our language, our history, our morals and customs.
But that isn't happening. Not even remotely. We just have random third world colonies committing tax fraud, welfare fraud and immigration fraud on an industrial scale, and we just let it happen. I would enormously prefer an actual war instead of rolling over and letting the third world steal everything that isn't bolted down.
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No, it's an ideal. That is what it means to be a "Creedal Nation" I have far more respect people like @Opt-out who elected to self-deport, than I do the false friends who claim to love their country while simultaneously aligning themselves against everything it stands for.
As I said above, If you want to leave, I want you to leave. At the same time, if you are onboard with Baseball, Buc-ee's, and government by consent of the governed I welcome you with open arms.
You just elected a third world communist to be the mayor of New York. There is no creed that will get you booted out, so it's not a creedal nation.
I didn't elect him. You (the rootless affluent liberals who sneer at normie Americans) elected him. And whether or not someone can be "booted" out of the country for not being American is arguably one of the hottest fronts on the culture war right now.
Yes the current focus is on illegal immigrants, but we can discuss expanding the effort to include Communists and Salafists once the border is secure.
Americans did. And even if they're not your kind of Americans, I think someone should think long and hard about how they got to become the kind of Americans that can elect a mayor of New York.
Tiresome. You mention old-world bigotries in the other comment, but your bigotry is so advanced that not only do you have a reflexive hostility to a particular group you disagree with, you think anyone who disagrees with you must be a part of that group.
Well, that's music to my ears! You're the first Creedal Nation enjoyer I've talked to that's even willing to entertain the idea. Everyone else was either squirming and trying to wriggle out of the conversation, or was rejecting the idea outright.
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I did not self-deport. Overstating as I’m still in US half the time. As some of us have come to believe my self deportation is to one of two of the US allies. It’s aligned with building America.
America being a creedal nation is false. It’s only creedal in how it’s a new Europe but the America story has always been fundamentally a European tribe. 80% maybe even more of humans could never be America. They can’t build or maintain institutions.
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It's not an ideal, either, it's a people, and every attempt to make it an ideal is an attempt to erase and if ore those people.
I'm not going anywhere, this is my home as it has been for ten generations, and it belongs to me in a way that it cannot and will never belong to foreigners regardless of their citizenship. You can crowd in all you like but goddamn you this is mine.
Bucees and baseball doesn't make an American any more than a stetson and boots, and it never will, and it never can.
And what if a majority of heritage Americans support civic nationalism, birthright citizenship, and all the rest (as seems to be the case)? Can they not overrule you? Or is the desire of, shall we say the Scotch-Irish, to close our borders more legitimate than that of the scions of New England Puritans and Pennsylvania Quakers to have them open?
I sorely wish we could have that conversation instead of being crowded out by teeming hordes of foreigners.
But realistically, White Men Vote Republican, so I think you'd find that you wouldn't get your way.
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Then there is nothing to discuss, is there? The founding fathers did not secure a future (some future) for their descendants by posturing about it on the internet.
There are now those who do not respect blood claims on principle, and not dried blood in any other case.
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