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Culture War Roundup for the week of April 10, 2023

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Shouldn’t there be a Victorian notion of pure sexless innocent children? I’m not talking even teenagers. But…what is so bad with me wanting my future 8 year old (only a few years away) to be innocent?

Shouldn’t there be a Victorian notion of pure sexless innocent children?

No? South Park is more of a documentary than anyone ever wants to admit to themselves and I'm still trying to figure out why nobody acknowledges this; third grade was a fine time for "I heard she got in trouble for doing lesbian stuff in the bathroom", making tons of dick jokes, and figuring out exactly how flexible the middle finger is when it comes to expressing oneself.

I have reason to believe my experience is typical, and as such I'm still trying to figure out why nobody else remembers this... or is simply motivated not to remember- that was a plausible enough explanation for 10 year old me (having an upbringing , and I have received no evidence suggesting he wasn't correct. Maybe being sophisticated enough to notice this stuff is connected to being able to remember it in the first place, I dunno.

But…what is so bad with me wanting my future 8 year old (only a few years away) to be innocent?

Whose interest do you think that outlook serves and why?

("Only mine, I don't like the aesthetics of my little bundle of joy saying 'suck my balls, you fucking bitch'" is an acceptable and interesting answer.)

  1. You sound like a dude. I’m a dude. I have zero clue how ten year old girls really talked. It wasn’t clear from my post but I have daughters.

  2. There is even a difference between 8 and 10.

  3. I have aesthetic reasons for wanting my daughters to remain innocent but also practical ones that aren’t as relevant for boys.

I have zero clue how ten year old girls really talked.

The answer is "just [as bad as] the boys". Well, not so much on the dick jokes for what should be obvious reasons.

There is even a difference between 8 and 10.

Third grade, however, is not 10.

While that is the time in my life I developed the notion that "adults are forgetting on purpose", the evidence for that view was piling up prior to that.

but also practical ones

Do tell; I'm very curious as to how "knows the words and the specifics" is supposed to translate into "loose virtue/an easy mark".

I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting something but I do find it weird to bring it up here.

Culture is so saturated with straight sexuality that it seems like- unless you have different standards for queer sexuality and straight sexuality-

You must be spending way more of your time sheltering them from the straight stuff.

This here. Western culture rams straight sexuality down the throat I. Copius amounts and seems to be oblivious of what it's doing. However when to comes to queer sexuality that's far less intense than the staraight stuff suddenly we have a moral panic on our hands.

Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, if you don't like sexuality permitting everything then the way to do that is stop putting sexuality in everything.

Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, if you don't like sexuality permitting everything then the way to do that is stop putting sexuality in everything.

Now I'd personally be quite happy with the proposed arrangement, sounds like a damn good deal to me, I don't care for how sexualised mainstream culture is. But I'd point out that there are actually some other options. Number 1 is to just suppress minority sexualities and continue allowing the promotion of the sexuality of the majority, in fact this is substantially easier than simply suppressing sexuality all together.

Frankly I do intend to shelter them for both as long as I can. But I also have a different standard especially when it comes to trans stuff. I think trans is contagion (to a large degree; there probably are a very small subset with gender dysmorphia).

Does "innocent" mean "My child should never be exposed to any hint of sexuality, ever?" A literal Victorian notion would be something like "Pregnant women should be kept out of public sight because it would cause children to ask awkward questions and then they might start wondering where babies come from."

My five year old has seen my wife pregnant with my five year old’s siblings. She understands babies come from mommy. But we haven’t explained to her how babies are made outside of a generic mommies and daddies make babies when they are adults and married. We can talk more about it when you are older.

I'm far from an expert on the Victorian era, but I never heard of this, and a bit of Googling doesn't seem to turn up anything like that. Where did you get that idea from?

I'm not sure quite what to label the phenomena but when I think back to being exposed to unimaginably hardcore pornography (goatse, lemonparty, 2girls1cup, that nail in dick thing) at ~8 years old I'm existentially horrified, but also just laugh it off like most of my peers.

It's also just occurred to me as I'm typing this your kids' experience with all that may be a great deal more sanitized than mine.

Wait, goatse qualifies as existential horror?

I guess it's true what they say: you gaze into that abyss, and that abyss gazes back into you.

pain4 iirc

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