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Friday Fun Thread for April 14, 2023

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With all the shoggoth talk nowadays, I finally got around to reading (listening to) At the Mountains of Madness. There were definitely some good parts, but it kind of dragged in the middle. You probably couldn't cut it down as short as The Call of Cthulhu (the only other Lovecraft I've read), but this should have been a two-and-a-half hour audiobook instead of a four-and-a-half hour audiobook. One thing I haven't seen remarked upon is that the shoggoths were created by the Elder Things to facilitate construction and economic growth before they became too powerful to control, making the metaphor quite apt.

I'm going to repeat my take that when you think of the great authors who more or less founded genres, the giants of the field, Lovecraft is remarkable for being the worst writer in the category. But he does belong in the category, he really did found a distinct genre that has been massively influential. But compare him to Poe, Tolkien, Wells, Homer, Austen, Foster Wallace, Joyce and other category defining writers and he comes up not just short but pathetically so. The closest I can get to a writer who was so bad at his craft but so influential would be De Sade, and the Divine Marquis at least wrote in a less accessible, more difficult genre and era.

the Divine Marquis

Oh, you're being ironic, right.

As a nonbeliever who has always been repulsed by the entire concept, I've nevertheless read enough to believe he seemed to have leaned extremely hard toward being the exact opposite of that.

It's actually a fairly common nickname for him among a certain subset of writers/thinkers who considered his philosophy fascinating.

I do think he falls under a similar category as Machiavelli, where the surface level of his writings reflect a morality that is disgusting, while the philosophy that underlies it is somewhat more interesting.

Machiavelli's writings are amoral, but not self-induldgent porn. Concerned with useful knowledge of how things are, what works, and concerned with the public good (secure, well ran states).

De Sade, from what I gather was a somewhat psychopathic sadomasochist hedonist who couldn't stay on the right side of law despite being an aristocrat and having unlimited funds to bribe people with , and whose pornographic novels were rendered worse by included elaborate rationalisations explaining how morality is meaningless so he can really do whatever he wants.

I really don't understand why Napoleon didn't have him hanged for the sodomy and rape charges that resulted in de Sade having to run away to Italy. Maybe he thought prison was more cruel, that's up for debate.

Supposedly, he showed some value by satirising the cretins of the enlightenment, chiefly Rousseau, but that doesn't redeem him one bit in my eyes.