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Culture War Roundup for the week of May 1, 2023

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More developments on the AI front:

Big Yud steps up his game, not to be outshined by the Basilisk Man.

Now, he officially calls for preemptive nuclear strike on suspicious unauthorized GPU clusters.

If we see AI threat as nuclear weapon threat, only worse, it is not unreasonable.

Remember when USSR planned nuclear strike on China to stop their great power ambitions (only to have the greatest humanitarian that ever lived, Richard Milhouse Nixon, to veto the proposal).

Such Quaker squeamishness will have no place in the future.

So, outlines of the Katechon World are taking shape. What it will look like?

It will look great.

You will live in your room, play original World of Warcraft and Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas on your PC, read your favorite blogs and debate intelligent design on your favorite message boards.

Then you will log on The Free Republic and call for more vigorous enhanced interrogation of terrorists caught with unauthorized GPU's.

When you bored in your room, you will have no choice than to go outside, meet people, admire things around you, make a picture of things that really impressed with your Kodak camera and when you are really bored, play Snake on your Nokia phone.

Yes, the best age in history, the noughties, will retvrn. For forever, protected by CoDominium of US and China.

edit: links again

I still see no plausible scenario for these AI-extinction events. How is chat-GPT 4/5/6 etc. supposed to end humanity? I really don't see the mechanism? Is it supposed to invent an algorithm that destroys all encryption? Is it supposed to spam the internet with nonesense? Is it supposed to brainwash someone into launching nukes? I fail to see the mechanism for how this end of the world scenario happens.

I fail to see the mechanism for how this end of the world scenario happens.

People keep trying to assemble these LLMs into systems capable of pursuing a task, not just responding to prompts.

If they succeed at that, people are going to keep making such AI systems to avoid paying wages.

You're eventually going to be able to replace people in all sectors of the economy. (lot of progress going on with physical bots too)

Once economy is mostly automated, people stop being critical but become more of a nuisance with not much redeeming value to elites, who of course control the AI systems and look down on losers who don't own anything and are of no use and are eyesores.

Competition makes elites develop ever more capable AI agents able to self modify in pursuit of self until at some point people make something independent minded that's both psychopathic and rather too smart. It decides people are a nuisance, usurps control of other less sophisticated AI systems, kills most everyone via biowarfare and has a planet for itself.

Nowhere near a certain scenario, but I find the idea that people pursuing state power or business advantage doing things they don't really understand rather certain.

Tl;dr AIs controlled by the Elite will be better than humans at everything, including being the Elite.