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If you really want your bubble burst on Putin, read some of his Valdai speeches and chats. I don't agree with all of his politics or his war, but he's refreshingly direct and erudite. I can't recall seeing an American President speaking in such a way since Eisenhower.
I just randomly scrolled through this 2018 appearance and landed on this, a response to a question on mismanagement of government funds in hospice care:
Maybe he's actually a bumbling fool and the English transcripts are a poor representation of what he's said, but I've never seen anyone assert that.
Russians in general are artistic. Putin, too, loves LARPing as this meticulous micromanager with a good grasp on detail, this genuinely impresses older technical folks. Again, as devarbol said of Stalin, this doesn't necessarily translate into anything like understanding of the war, what is at stake, which details matter, whom to trust, when to act. In fact he's often very much behind the times; why, it seems that Wagner mutiny caught him by surprise, even though Prigozhin was making these noises for months. Putin is performing a particular role; he has imagemakers and various Turkic speechwriters (whose successors now feed him Twitter right-winger context about teh gays, it seems) and all that staff and it's probably pretty compelling – from afar, and when you don't remember decades of vacuous big picture pointification interspersed with occasional autistic detail and coyly wagging the finger at some guilty official, as the country rusts and rots and is pillaged by his friends and people trying to do anything productive give up and escape.
When you have that context in mind it looks pretty demonic.
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Yes. Basically you either fail to pass the bureaucratic filter, end up insolvent, or get big enough to attract attention of some oprichnik who wants a personal turf. If it were a hard-and-fast rule we'd all have starved of course but it's enough to ensure that Russia never gets back to like 2013 levels of wealth. Like in many other mundane things I concur with Galeev in his analysis here.
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Well, the war had started in 2014 and so did Russian economic woes. I think metrics which suggest Russia had been successfully coping with that are not credible. Holistically, what we have now is… like… 2006 maybe. Only without the positive outlook.
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There are plenty of Harvard and Yale (and before that Andover and Exeter) types in the State Department who can do ‘erudite statesman’ if you want them to (and they sometimes do, although usually not on CNN or the evening news). American politicians cater to the American public. As DeSantis is currently demonstrating, being smart and educated and intellectual does precisely nothing for you with the American public.
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You find that convincing? Empty repetitions of "I hear your concerns, dear
voterscompatriots" peppered with equally vacuous applause lights. We have "direct" at home.I don't know what convincing you're referring to, I don't know if the problem was actually solved.
I just can't recall any American politician admitting that there's a problem, getting into the details on use-it-or-lose budget rules, saying that this is an instance of a more general failure case, and then admitting the constraints of what the state can achieve.
Even admitting the existence of a problem that happened on your watch is vanishingly rare.
And this was just a random scroll.
Direct would be:
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