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Culture War Roundup for the week of June 26, 2023

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I wouldn't count "Anakin thinks it's a great idea to spend the day at an amusement park, also having something else up his sleeve. Confessing his love to Obi-Wan!" as being genuinely a fan of the series.

Why not?

Granted it's not absolute proof that someone is a "real" fan of the series - they could just be using the characters without knowing much about the wider series itself - but it certainly doesn't count against them being a real fan either. In general I'd say that writing fanfic about a series does count as evidence for being a fan of the series.

Why not?

Because it's inherently engaging with the series on a very superficial level.

Is it possible that they're a fan of the series anyway? Sure, but it's not the way to bet.

Because it's inherently engaging with the series on a very superficial level.

I'd say if you're at the point of writing fan fiction about a setting you're past the point of being "superficially" a fan of something.

A fan is not defined by how much they "get" their chosen obsession, it is defined by the level of enthusiasm/passion for it.

Being moved to write gay fanfiction that completely misses the point of the setting makes someone as much a fan as a person that memorises pointless trivia (who also misses the point of the setting, but in a male way rather than a female way).

Are they fans of Star Wars or are they fans of romance between attractive famous male actors that take place in an exotic setting? Star Wars, or any other IP, may be the vehicle here, rather than the object.

"Are they fans of Star Wars or are they fans of explosions and swordfighting?"

What exactly constitutes really liking Star Wars?

Maybe you need to like the unique aspects of Star Wars to count as a Star Wars grognard. Telepathic monks with laser swords? But then there's the rest of the setting that doesn't feature Jedi at all.

Not an accusation against you in particular, but this strikes me as an isolated demand for rigor. A male fan who loves lasers won't be asked to recite "There is no death, there is the Force" before he's allowed in the tree house. This accusation is only used to police female fandom. The main reason being that fandoms are so full of incels that a woman gets outsize attention, which is resented.

I've dated two functionally very straight women in my life who were huge (like tells me about why Kyber(?) Chrystals are symbolic levels of fandom) Star Wars fans. Maybe that's just an odd sample, but it's a real thing that happened. Gender does not strike me as a useful filter, outside of people who just kind of hate women and don't want them around.

Idk, I shouldn't chime in, I haven't watched or consumed any of the Disney content after seeing the first sequel in theaters. Maybe the whole thing has changed by now.

A male fan who loves lasers won't be asked to recite "There is no death, there is the Force" before he's allowed in the tree house. This accusation is only used to police female fandom.

This falls under "killed his parents and then demands mercy for being an orphan". There used to be gender-neutral standards in fandom that said that people should know something about the fandom before being considered a fan. (For instance, I suggest you look up trekkies versus trekkers.)

It was women who said that fans had to stop "gatekeeping" and forced them to get rid of those standards.

There were never neutral standards, they were enforced against those who were suspect. Meaning women.

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