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Culture War Roundup for the week of June 26, 2023

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Yes, I read the rest of your post.

You did not link any of the things you cited to "the trains." Moreover, you can argue that individual trans people and groups are doing what you claim. If you want to say "the trains" are doing it, you need a lot more evidence. Same as with any other group that people are fond of broadly accusing of all sorts of nefarious activities and ideologies.

Also, you still may not assert that it's "almost literally insane" to think otherwise. Whether you intended it as hyperbole or not, it is the kind of consensus building language we explicitly discourage.

I want to make sure I understand this, but first I’d ask you to stop using Reddit drama language like “the trains”.

There must be ground realities that we can agree on to be able have a discussion, right? Like for instance: trans people exist? If somebody claimed that the existence of trans people was an elaborate psy op and that none of them were real and they were all holograms, it would be appropriate to say “you would have to be suffering from some sort of paranoid delusion to believe this.”

Or no? The point that I’m making here is that the people claiming both that they must come for the children and you are a bigot to stop them, but also that they aren’t coming for the children and you are a bigot to suggest they are, are trying to create a sort of insane (in the technical sense) delusion in people’s minds.

Again this isn’t consensus building. This is a description of what I perceive these people to be doing.

you asking me to link to examples of my supporting points

This stuff has been well, well discussed here, hasn’t it? Are you disputing that these things are happening at all?

I want to make sure I understand this, but first I’d ask you to stop using Reddit drama language like “the trains”.

... Are you trying to be funny? I quoted you (hence the quote marks), because I told you in my initial warning to stop doing that.

Are you disputing that these things are happening at all?

No, I am not. I spelled out the problems with your post clearly and explicitly. That you are pretending that we're disagreeing about "ground realities" like whether or not trans people exist, combined with whatever you are doing above, suggests to me that you are not engaging in good faith. You've been warned several times in the past for low-effort comments like this, and every time you have pushed back insisting that everything you said was right and reasonable. This is of course not an uncommon reaction, but your reaction in particular is really doing you no favors. You are not going to gain any traction by saying things and then claiming you didn't say them or that you actually said something different.

You said not to use Reddit drama phrases, then continued doing so, presumably to be antagonistic. I asked you to stop.

This seems relatively straight forward to me.

What am I claiming I didn’t say? That seems like a bit of a silly thing to do, since the posts are all right here for anybody to read.

It doesn’t seem like you’re trying to argue in good faith here. I don’t think we’re going to get anywhere.

You can yell at me more if you want or misquote me or mischaracterize what I said or even continue being unnecessarily antagonistic, but I won’t reply to you any more in this thread.

Have a nice day.

You said not to use Reddit drama phrases, then continued doing so, presumably to be antagonistic. I asked you to stop.

No, I quoted the phrases you used to explain why your post was unacceptable.

I believe this was straightforward to you and you are being intentionally difficult and disingenuous. The only reason I have continued to reply to you this long is because in my capacity as a mod, I try to make sure everyone understands why they are being modded. I think you understand perfectly well why you were modded, and you're attempting some kind of rhetorical jujutsu here that isn't going to work.

You are not required to reply to me at all. You are only required to post in accordance with the rules.

I want to make sure I understand this, but first I’d ask you to stop using Reddit drama language like “the trains”.

This is an odd request since you literally used the phrase "the trains" in your original post.

He’s doing that to be antagonistic. He said not to say “trains” (which I don’t agree is a Reddit thing but whatever), so I stopped, but he kept using that term.

I don’t think it’s an odd request. Im asking him not to be unnecessarily antagonistic.

Here’s another example of him misquoting me, then arguing with his own misquoting: https://www.themotte.org/post/499/culture-war-roundup-for-the-week/102514?context=8#context

He’s doing this, presumable again, to be antagonistic.

(But this is way off topic sorry to anybody reading along. I does get annoying when people mischaracterize what you say)

but he kept using that term.

He kept mentioning it, which is quite different.

but he kept using that term.

where?