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Culture War Roundup for the week of July 17, 2023

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Gay activists read every single historical figure, character and so on to as gay. Falwell believing them when they said so is ridiculous, it’s literally handing them a win for zero reason. It’s like being a TERF, hearing a trans activists say that some great historical woman was actually a transwoman (ie born male) and agreeing with them but then saying this itself was sinister. It’s shooting oneself in the foot in spectacular fashion.

What Falwell did is the equivalent of a socially conservative historian agreeing with activists that every male friendship in history was actually a secret gay relationship. No wonder he raised one of the 21st century’s most infamously humiliated cuckolds.

So, there's a tremendous difference between actual historical figures being claimed as gay or not vs. fictional media characters being created with subversive intentions or influences.

Whether or not Abe Lincoln was gay is a matter of fact one way or the other, depsite which you'd prefer be true, and dispite whether you can ever know for sure. Whether or not Tinky Winky is gay is somewhat interpretative. The three questions are whether TW models gay messaging, whether it's intentional by the creators of the media, and whether it has an influence on the view.

With the latter, the answers could be yes-yes-yes, yes-no-no, yes-yes-no, yes-no-yes, or even no-yes-no.

I mean, ‘the American version of memriTV doesn’t need to take everything gay activists say seriously’ seems like a valid criticism.

Well sure, as a maxim goes, don't take everything anyone says seriously. At the same time, I'm kind of at a loss about this kind of reaction to people being absolutely right and then some about the direction of the culture especially queer stuff.

I mean, if the gay stuff was still suppressed by the cultural hegemony or a quiet unassuming part of the multi-culture, I'd get mocking people who take what gay activists say seriously as a warning. But here we live in a culture where the Pride Flag is essentially the national flag, kids of all ages are given LGBT propoganda in schools, excecutives at Disney throw homosexual characters into everything and own it as a positive influence unapologetically, there's an actual debate about letting men in drag strip in front of children and so on.

..and the reaction is to look back at the people who said, "hey these people are intentionally trying to influence the culture in this direction"... and still be skeptical that they were cranks all along? LGBT activism has been wildly successful, especially with the exact age range that was in diapers in the 90s. Sure, a myopic focus one particular datapoint in the trend can be zoomed in on and mocked and ineffective. But something the lgbt lobby did in the past few decades certainly worked.

At what point do we have to get to to say, yeah it might have made sense to dam the river upstream before it became a flood and maybe the people asking to weren't insane?

I think honestly you should take people seriously unless you have evidence they’re not serious. Most of the things that activists were dreaming about 20 years ago have come to pass. Not just gays, but equality activists, Marxists, and so on. In 2008, neo-pronouns and pronouns in bios was a tumblr and humanities major thing. The ideas of “the invisible knapsack” (white privilege) were first published in the mid-1990s.