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Highlights From The Comments On Elon Musk

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I think I found this more interesting than the original biography review by Scott. There is a lot of distilled wisdom in these posts.

However, there is one area that always rubs me the wrong way. It is smart people who don't know dumb people talking about intelligence.

Where I am now in life I interact almost exclusively with smart people. Not just high IQ wiz kids with no experience. But people that have both the raw brain power, and the life experience to be sharp and wicked smaht. I'm in a rich neighborhood, and wealth has a noticeable correlation with IQ. I currently work for an institution that employs academics who must explain their work to the media (so they can't just sit in an ivory tower and write illegible crap). I use to work at a tech company that for quite a few years basically gave people an IQ test before they could join, and they were willing to fire people who didn't work out (the selection effects weren't perfect but they were certainly noticeable). My college friends were mostly from an "honors" section that got scholarships and accolades for academic achievements.

This was not always the case.

I went to highschool in a nice-ish area. The highschool was pretty decent for where I lived, but it still had noticeable rates of teenage pregnancy, drunk driving fatalities, minor gang fights (no more than temporary hospitalizations), about a fifth of the school below the poverty line, and a racial mix that actually came pretty close to matching America's general racial mix.

This highschool had dumb-dumbs. Probably something close to an average amount of dumb-dumbs. But at the time it was painful how many of them there were. I am smart for the general population, but a bit of a dumb-dumb when I get into smart people circles. 95th percentile on SATs. 1 in 20 seems only ok, but in a random class of ~30 kids I was likely to be the smartest or 2nd smartest. And its not the academic under performance that ever bothered me. I wasn't in any position to judge, I did well on standardized tests, but I was solidly a B student at best. Most of the material seemed dumb and stupid. We were all often doing equally bad at it. It was the everything else that bothered me about interacting with chronically stupid people.

I often heard people brag growing up that they were "street smart" while some academic achiever was "book-smart". This gave me the false impression that there were two kinds of people out there and there was just a trade off between the two. That was badly wrong. Some people are just dumb. They can fail to learn how to read, and fail at not walking into oncoming traffic, and fail at not picking a fight with a group of kids that will kick their ass. There are people that just seem to make repeatedly bad decisions in all areas of their life. I grew to hate these people, because loving and caring about them was too painful. To watch them make terrible decisions again and again, no matter how you advise them, no matter how much you try its like they seem determined to make their own lives a living hell by refusing to understand the world around them.

Bringing this back around to Elon Musk:

Yes he is smart. He is very smart. If he doesn't seem that smart compared to the people around you, then congratulations you live in a smart person bubble. I live in one too, its great! No one is ever making terrible decisions that might casually endanger me. No one is starting physical fights, because words hurt their brain too much. They know all the latest social norms, and when to violate the silly ones to make a joke. I can have deep conversations with them about nearly any topic, they might not know the details, but if I make it interesting they will pick it up and participate. The people around me know how to manage their money, so they aren't ever begging me for handouts, or trying to nickle and dime me on shared expenses.

The phrase "check your privilege" comes to mind, but the tone that people normally use feels very wrong. Just imagine me saying it in the same way a surfer says "kowabunga dude!" while offering a high five.

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Yes he is smart. He is very smart. If he doesn't seem that smart compared to the people around you, then congratulations you live in a smart person bubble. I live in one too, its great!

Obviously when people say this they mean “compared to the average surgeon / investment banker / senior official at the State Department / STEM academic at a decent university”, not “compared to Bob at the gas station” or even “Bill the police chief”. Musk is clearly into the 95th percentile, if not 98th or 99th percentile. Is he 99.9th percentile like Sergei and Larry, or 99.99th like Bill Gates? Probably not.

Obviously when people say this they mean “compared to the average surgeon / investment banker / senior official at the State Department / STEM academic at a decent university”

No, I've argued with average redditors who were very much convinced the online reasons Elon Musk is a billionaire while they're not billionaires is a combination of luck, inheritance, and willingness to be unethical on Musk's part.

Would you argue that those factors, combined, aren't at least 10x as important re: Musk being a billionaire as his IQ?

Inheritance is a relatively small factor. From Scott's original review,

Musk claims to be self-made; he moved to Canada at age 17 with $2500 and worked his way up from there. For a while he supported himself by cutting logs, Abe Lincoln style. Nobody paid for his college and he took out $100,000 in debt. Musk’s father invested $28,000 in his first company, but Musk dismissed this as a “later round” and claimed he was already successful at that point and would have gotten the money anyway. The total for that round was $200,000, so Musk’s father’s contribution was only about 15%.

So he certainly had more inheritance than a kid from the slums, but I'd say he's only about as privileged as the top 50-20% of Americans.

I don't think Musk is particularly more unethical than most people. He's not a shining beacon of morality, but he's not evil either, and most of his biggest moral issues are stuff like calling the diver who rescued kids a pedo, and that sort of unethicalness probably lost him money. He relatively quickly resorts to yelling at employees to put them under pressure to work harder, but I don't consider that super unethical or rare. When I think of someone getting rich from being unusually unethical, I think of stuff like dumping toxic waste in a river knowing it will destroy the environment and cause cancer, but doing it anyway because the fine for just doing it is cheaper than properly disposing of waste.

I can't say for sure how much of a role luck has played for him. But considering he's been a major participant in making 3 companies extremely successful(PayPal, Tesla, SpaceX) when most businesses outright fail, I really doubt luck by itself is the biggest factor. I'd agree with Scott's conclusion that Musk's drive plus his intelligence are the two biggest factors.