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Culture War Roundup for the week of September 25, 2023

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Not sure if this belongs here or in SQS, but it could either be a small question I don't understand or a discussion depending on whether or not people disagree about the answer.

Why did support for Ukraine split along the left/right the way it did (at least in the U.S.), when typically one would expect it to go the other way. That is, the right is usually more pro-military, pro-military intervention, and patriotic defending of one's homeland. Even though the right tends to be more focused on domestic issues and oppose foreign aid, military support tends to be the exeption. Although there was bipartisan support of the Iraq war (at least in the aftermath of 9/11) the Republicans were more strongly in favor of it and stayed in favor of it for longer. If Russia had threatened to invade the U.S. the Republicans would have been not only gung-ho about repelling them but also about retaliating and obliterating them in revenge so that none would dare try ever again. So you would think they would sympathize with Ukrainians as similarly patriotic defenders of their home turf, while the left would be all peace and let's try to get along and diplomatically convince the invaders to stop without violence, or something like that.

But that's not what happened. Why?

Is it just because the left has been harping on about Putin for years so hopped on the anti-Russia train too quickly and the right felt compelled to instinctively oppose them? If China had invaded Ukraine (for some mysterious reason) would the right be pro-Ukraine and the left opposing intervention because they don't want to piss off China (and accusing Ukraine of being nazis as an excuse)? That is, is there something specific to Ukraine/Russia that caused this divide here specifically, or am I misunderstanding the position of each side regarding military intervention in general (or has it changed in the past few decades and my beliefs used to be accurate but no longer are)?

Why did support for Ukraine split along the left/right the way it did

I am not someone who likes excessive racialisation of politics, but I think some on the left may be correct in speculating that Russia being a conservative, white Christian country has a lot to do with it. Ukraine is very similar, but there is simply more respect to Russia since it resembles the USA in many ways (frontier culture, etc).

I also think a lot of right-wingers have this obsession against China for the same reason. It's an alien race, on top of actually being a real threat in a way that Russia is not. And to counter China, it'd be remarkably foolish if you were to push Russia and China together instead (which is what the US has done). I think Beinart wrote about these dynamics well a few weeks ago.

Ukraine is much more conservative and whiter than Russia. It’s being demographically replaced by conservative native Christian minorities and is, y’know, actually entirely in Europe. The difference is entirely about Russia being a major geopolitical adversary and republicans generally wanting to dial back on the empire.

The Ukranian people were, their government is doing everything it can to signal fealty to globohomo.

Wait, what happened to demographics are destiny?

Color revolutions have consequences.

Also they may at least partially blame Russia for Trump getting elected which was of course a national nightmare for them.

So taking Russia down a peg could be seen in their mind as removing an actual threat to their power domestically.

At any rate, everyone loves having a boogeyman to fight, and having one that you don't actually have to risk your own life to fight is a nice bonus.

This sounds like overthinking it. Progressives are the establishment now, so anyone opposed to them will gain some automatic sympathy from the domestic opposition. It's like when lefties low-key cheered for Ahmadinejad.