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Israel-Gaza Megathread #2
This is a refreshed megathread for any posts on the conflict between (so far, and so far as I know) Hamas and the Israeli government, as well as related geopolitics. Culture War thread rules apply.
That the IDF released audio of Hamas operatives saying it was from Islamic Jihad, but the audio is clearly faked with bad Palestinian accents and crappy acting. Why do you think the IDF would release obviously doctored audio? Stupidity thinking that no one would call them on it? Rationally making the calculation their supporters would eat it up and it won't make their detractors any angrier than they are? That maybe it isn't actually faked and some Hamas operatives actually do just talk like that? But even to me, I don't speak a lick of Arabic, the tone of voices does sound like script reading and it felt very convenient how they described so much incriminating and explanatory information in a minute of conversation, like exposition from the beginning of a bad movie. Thoughts?
TBH, what is the difference? If Israel blew up a hospital, it probably contained Hamas operatives and weapons (there are none in Gaza known to lack such things, ditto schools, retirement homes, and all other potentially sympathetic targets). Lets say IDF missile launch operator #112 misread an intelligence report that said a mass barrage was about to be launched from the roof of Mecca Hospital in Gaza, and instead leveled Medina Hospital. What would change? there would still be operatives and a weapons cache there in most cases. In the incredibly unlikely scenario that there was not, fog of war is fog of war. Is Israel not allowed to make a mistake when targeting rocket launch sites? Police forces in the 1st world are certainly not held to such a standard in active shooter or hostage scenarios (both of which are easy to deal with compared to the current situation in Gaza). If a hostage in a bank heist is wearing a Nixon mask and charges a police officer the PO is not put on trial for shooting said Nixon masker.
All that said, its probably not Israel, because they know they are held to a standard that is higher than almost any other country in history. Most would have ethnically cleansed the West Bank and genocided Gaza by now. Israel might be the only country in history to show such restraint.
To be nitpicky Israel is being treated with kids gloves in this situation compared to the treatment of western police forces during encounters. We had George Floyd a dude all up on fentanyl launched nationwide race riots.
Then you had this incident recently. Notice how the article headline includes nothing about him trying to kill the cop first.
And of the SPLC was running with it. I’m going to assume the ADL would be commenting if they didn’t have real things to deal with.
We have plenty of guy tries to kill cop but ends up dead events followed by protest in the last few years. The Jews managed to get any Ivy leaguer supporting Hamas unhirable for a few years.
And this is relevant how, exactly? Either excessive force was used, or it wasn't.
????
It's relevant because it shows excessive force was not being used, and that the policeman was forced to kill him in self defense.
Police don't get a free pass because a suspect, especially a hancuffee suspect, is an extra bad guy, and it not even as if Chauvin was acting in the heat of passion, given how the death occurred.
What are you even talking about, and what does Chauvin have to do with this case?
Sorry I thought he was talking about George Floyd. I'll delete the comment. Though on a side note, the SPLC has been a joke, if not a scam, going on 30 years. Their views cant be used as representative of anything, let alone what the ADL supposedly would say.
Though I don't know if SPLC can be considered a joke when it comes to the influence they wield. Aren't they on various "trust and safety" councils of social media? Or am I conflating them with ADL and other orgs?
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Notes -
In regards to the recent hospital explosion, it's looking increasingly likely that Israel did not cause the explosion.
https://manifold.markets/MilfordHammerschmidt/did-the-idf-just-now-blow-up-a-hosp
I saw this however on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/alextomo/status/1714670858914894046?t=UcPxGEUM5ShnUpc8Hav3Vw&s=19
https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1714548529538953637?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1714548529538953637%7Ctwgr%5E4bbaa419eb9133e336435eb810800500af090537%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hindustantimes.com%2Fworld-news%2Fidf-shares-audio-of-hamas-allegedly-talking-about-rocket-that-hit-gaza-hospital-it-misfired-101697630817752.html
That the IDF released audio of Hamas operatives saying it was from Islamic Jihad, but the audio is clearly faked with bad Palestinian accents and crappy acting. Why do you think the IDF would release obviously doctored audio? Stupidity thinking that no one would call them on it? Rationally making the calculation their supporters would eat it up and it won't make their detractors any angrier than they are? That maybe it isn't actually faked and some Hamas operatives actually do just talk like that? But even to me, I don't speak a lick of Arabic, the tone of voices does sound like script reading and it felt very convenient how they described so much incriminating and explanatory information in a minute of conversation, like exposition from the beginning of a bad movie. Thoughts?
TBH, what is the difference? If Israel blew up a hospital, it probably contained Hamas operatives and weapons (there are none in Gaza known to lack such things, ditto schools, retirement homes, and all other potentially sympathetic targets). Lets say IDF missile launch operator #112 misread an intelligence report that said a mass barrage was about to be launched from the roof of Mecca Hospital in Gaza, and instead leveled Medina Hospital. What would change? there would still be operatives and a weapons cache there in most cases. In the incredibly unlikely scenario that there was not, fog of war is fog of war. Is Israel not allowed to make a mistake when targeting rocket launch sites? Police forces in the 1st world are certainly not held to such a standard in active shooter or hostage scenarios (both of which are easy to deal with compared to the current situation in Gaza). If a hostage in a bank heist is wearing a Nixon mask and charges a police officer the PO is not put on trial for shooting said Nixon masker.
All that said, its probably not Israel, because they know they are held to a standard that is higher than almost any other country in history. Most would have ethnically cleansed the West Bank and genocided Gaza by now. Israel might be the only country in history to show such restraint.
To be nitpicky Israel is being treated with kids gloves in this situation compared to the treatment of western police forces during encounters. We had George Floyd a dude all up on fentanyl launched nationwide race riots.
Then you had this incident recently. Notice how the article headline includes nothing about him trying to kill the cop first.
And of the SPLC was running with it. I’m going to assume the ADL would be commenting if they didn’t have real things to deal with.
https://twitter.com/splcenter/status/1714646960005632186?s=46&t=aQ6ajj220jubjU7-o3SuWQ
We have plenty of guy tries to kill cop but ends up dead events followed by protest in the last few years. The Jews managed to get any Ivy leaguer supporting Hamas unhirable for a few years.
????
It's relevant because it shows excessive force was not being used, and that the policeman was forced to kill him in self defense.
What are you even talking about, and what does Chauvin have to do with this case?
Sorry I thought he was talking about George Floyd. I'll delete the comment. Though on a side note, the SPLC has been a joke, if not a scam, going on 30 years. Their views cant be used as representative of anything, let alone what the ADL supposedly would say.
Fair.
Though I don't know if SPLC can be considered a joke when it comes to the influence they wield. Aren't they on various "trust and safety" councils of social media? Or am I conflating them with ADL and other orgs?
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