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ArjinFerman
Tinfoil Gigachad
10hr ago
It would be nice if you answered his question before asking a follow-up. Particularly when it has nothing to do with the case we're discussing.
ChickenOverlord
11hr ago
Probably something from Oracle
magicalkittycat
11hr ago
So you explicitly agree with the woke leftists that professors and researchers with "bad opinions" should be punished even if it's not irrelevant to their work?
magicalkittycat
11hr ago
So you explicitly agree with the woke leftists that professors and researchers with "bad opinions" should be punished even if it's not irrelevant to their work?
magicalkittycat
11hr ago
So you explicitly agree with the woke leftists that professors and researchers with "bad opinions" should be punished even if it's not irrelevant to their work?
magicalkittycat
11hr ago
So you explicitly agree with the woke leftists that professors and researchers with "bad opinions" should be punished even if it's not irrelevant to their work?
Will you be upset if the left comes back into power and explicitly targets all conservatives with funding cuts after you've said it's now ok to do?
magicalkittycat
11hr ago
So you agree with the woke leftists that professors and researchers with "bad opinions" should be punished even if it's not irrelevant to their work?
magicalkittycat
11hr ago
You agree with the woke leftists that professors and researchers with "bad opinions" should be punished even if it's not irrelevant to their work?
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
11hr ago
This is isomorphic to left-wing cancel culture, equally morally bankrupt, and equally un-American.
No, it isn't.
The only ethically justifiable mandate for fighting cancel culture is to restore intellectual freedom and freedom of speech.
Probably not true, but even assuming it is, restoring intellectual freedom and freedom of speech does not require rescuing anyone.
magicalkittycat
11hr ago
Oh so what you're saying is that the Dems should go nuclear next election and cut funding for all conservatives unless they go woke and we should go into an arms war of being the Serious Threat each time one group is in power?
Or are only conservatives morally justified in destroying science for culture war issues?
IGI-111
God was a dream of good government.
11hr ago
I don't mean it literally. I mean that same level of scrutiny for the new dissident ideology that ostensibly attempts to subvert the order of the United States. Senate commissions hunting down people who ever took part in a DEI program and retiring them early so they never participate in high level anything again, that sort of thing.
You know, denazification.
netstack
Texas is freedom land
11hr ago
Yes, there were a number of things he could have done to make his comment more accurate, charitable, or defensible.
VoxelVexillologist
Multidimensional Radical Centrist
11hr ago
Heh, I'm pretty sure I've used software packages more expensive per seat than the engineers to run them. But yes, salaries are generally the largest. I'm sure pure mathematicians use a lot of chalk too.
Nonsense, academics have to walk on eggshells when publishing on topics related to things like biological sex and gender identity, race, and many more topics lest they face consequences to their careers.
An example that comes to mind that I read a few years ago (and will try to dig up) was an economics paper that worked together with a utility company in some third world shithole. The research in question: whether cutting off water to non-paying customers would result in more payments to the utility company, resulting in the utility company being able to invest in their infrastructure and provide more and better water service overall, leading to fewer people being without water service overall than a system that treats water access as a "human right".
The research reached the obvious conclusion that anyone who has taken econ 101 would have expected, and the researchers didn't lie about this, but they couched everything they said in tons of trigger-warning type language to avoid conflict. It absolutely had an effect on the strength of their conclusions, how strong of a stance they were willing to take, etc.
Edit: Turns out it was Kenya. Found the paper with its milquetoast conclusions that any econ 101 student could have told you - https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w27569/w27569.pdf
And here's one (of many) articles from the "water access is a human right" faction going after the paper and its authors: https://developingeconomics.org/2023/12/11/when-economists-shut-off-your-water/
WandererintheWilderness
11hr ago
You can't (in a morally consistent way) nuke Hiroshima and Nagasaki and then call "no nukes" when the Japanese take out New York and Chicago.
But I can object when the previously-nuked side runs on a platform of nuclear disarmament (i.e. cancel culture is bad, free speech must be protected), and then, the moment it wins, starts nuking its enemies instead (i.e. just try to cancel the left harder)
Primaprimaprima
I am trying so hard not to say the MBTI type of everyone I reply to
11hr ago
I am not a “Rationalist” and my habits are very much my own.
I approach every text with the level of respect it deserves. Nothing more, nothing less.
Long term, a truce. For a long time we had free speech because everyone understood that policing speech was a double-edged sword - even if it works for you today, it’s going to cut your head off tomorrow.
When everyone understands this, then you’re safe because nobody seriously demands loyalty tests because everyone understands how that ends. All of this came about because the woke thought they were able to escape that and win permanent victory.
MAD requires demonstrating that you are actually willing to fire off your nukes.
(Note also that Trump isn’t demanding a loyalty test. There is no requirement that universities be Trumpist, only that they not openly discriminate against white, Jewish and Asian students. Which seems fair to me.)
netstack
Texas is freedom land
11hr ago
Inflammatory claims require evidence. This is still not a place to air your grievances without doing any work to back them up.
Your mod log is a long, long series of similar comments. One week ban.
ThenElection
11hr ago
I learned analysis from his excellent textbook on it. Felt it gave me much more solid intuitions than Rudin, which I was struggling with. (To be fair, I don't glaze Axler, so there's still a gap.)
netstack
Texas is freedom land
11hr ago
That wouldn't rule out me or any of my research advisors. I don't think it would get Terence Tao, either. It's a cute motte for what is obviously a much more expansive bailey.
WandererintheWilderness
11hr ago
This is isomorphic to left-wing cancel culture, equally morally bankrupt, and equally un-American. The only ethically justifiable mandate for fighting cancel culture is to restore intellectual freedom and freedom of speech. If you abandon that justification then you are as hypocritical and craven as your enemies, and, if nothing else, you have no high ground from which to criticize Tao.
PatellaFarmer
11hr ago
Thank you! Seems very likely it was this thread https://x.com/Aella_Girl/status/1462824227090976772
Not quite what I remember but hey, that's how memory works.
Just because I find it obnoxious doesn't mean that I don't find it innocuous. I observe obnoxious political activities all the time, coming from both the left and the right, without necessarily thinking that it is any sort of serious political threat.
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