domain:youtu.be
netstack
Texas is freedom land
6m ago
This is why we had segregation.
No, it is blatantly not.
Corvos
6m ago
While this is true, if black schizophrenics are (hypothetically, I don’t know if they are) vastly more likely to aim their paranoia and rage at white people than at black people, that seems to blur matters somewhat.
“This person is possessed by unstoppable rage that makes him hurt people.”
And
“This person is possessed by an unstoppable rage that makes him hurt people AND a racist hatred of whites that means he goes after them specifically.”
Seem to hit quite differently. Like if Dexter had gone after Indians rather than other serial killers.
100ProofTollBooth
Dumber than a man, but faster than a dog.
10m ago
So, in general what do you think is a more positive vision of merging traditional society with modern technology? To me there are obvious problems, and there's also the problem of the cratering of ecclesiastic authority. Which incidentally, I don't see as a theological problem as it has happened many times before. But how do we square these issues?
Don't make the category error of necessarily placing modern technology within modern society and values. This is actually another sleight of hand that I see a lot of people unintentionally falling into.
"Well, without the enlightenment, we would all still be living in mud huts!" Yes, without the science and technology from the enlightenment, that would be true. But that science and tech can be unbundled from modern ethical / moral / political / social values.
To more directly answer your question, technology on its own isn't inherently good or bad. People are. The same fundamental technology that vaporized tens of thousands in Hiroshima and Nagasaki could pretty much solve most of the energy "crisis" over night - but some very modern emotionalism and cultish environmental "ethics" prevent that from happening. So, the trad view is "use technology in ways that align with traditional values."
I go to a Latin Mass - they use FlockNote for parish communications. I drive my very modern F-250 to get to the church on Sundays. I text - with my cell phone - my friends there to semi-organize stuff for the socials that usually follow. I listen to numerous catholic content podcasts - which are ... podcasts ... on the internet.
I don't use my phone to watch porn. I don't drive my truck to buy drugs and hire prostitutes. I don't use the internet to consume or spread weird gender-fluid ideologies.
Yes, I do believe it really is that simple. "Values" are beliefs one holds that directly inform their behavior. You get to control your behavior, regardless of technology, however you want. No, I do not accept the idea that a fully functioning adult has zero defense against the brain cancer of social media and woke digital marketing -- 90% of the posters on the Motte are evidence of this.
I'd also go further and say that, precisely because of telecommunication technology, it is easier to collect resources on living a trad lifestyle. The entire resurgence of attendance at the Latin Mass - at least in the US - is almost certainly due in large part to people being able to organize and share locations and mass times online. Hell, there are people who didn't even know the Latin Mass still existed who get into it because they watch a few episodes of Pints With Aquinas. In a non-religious context, YouTube is full of endless videos on homesteading and homeschooling, which are two pretty strong indicators of a trad lifestyle. If you rewind to before the mass proliferation of the internet, one's ability to simply investigate different ways of living was far more constrained. Books were helpful but noone had access to the raw volume of information that now exists in everyone's pocket. Largely, you simply replicated the "culture" your parents and other family members and social circle presented. Or, you uprooted and went for a hard reset (cue California Dreamin') - but maybe only for a few years before coming back to Wisconsin and marrying that odd, shy fellow.
In my original comment, I concluded by saying that part of "being trad" (whatever you take that to mean) is rejecting the notion that "the personal is political." I'll add to that here by saying that being trad also means rejecting the naieve premise that "technology is turnin' all the kids gay!" or, to be a little more professional about it, that technological progress is inherently a threat to traditional values. I'd say, in general, technological progress simply creates more possible outcomes - some of them will / could be horrible from a trad values perspective, while others will / could be wonderful. It's in the application by a society or sub-society. Which means its in the behavior of a society / sub-society.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
11m ago
Do you have a source for that?
MadMonzer
Epstein Files must have done something really awful for so many libs to want him released.
12m ago
As for actual newspapers, doing their own research and writing their own stories without political bias - there should be some. Surely they can't all be bad apples.
The existence of newspapers which seek to avoid political bias (except for the pro-establishment bias that comes from the need to cultivate sources and any bias which comes from seeking sensationalism) is the result of a temporary and somewhat unusual situation in the American advertising market in the second half of the twentieth century. Founding era newspapers wore their partisan bias on their sleeves, as did the Hearst era yellow press. So does the press in most other countries - the only British paper that isn't proud of its political slant is the Financial Times.
The truth-forming function of the press is best delivered by ideological diversity, not by hoping that a journalistic monoculture is unbiased. The problem here is that you need your partisan journalists to be journalists first and partisan second (as, for example, Rupert Murdoch and his news outlets always have been) or else you end up with Pravda and Infowars shouting at each other.
magic9mushroom
If you're going to downvote me, and nobody's already voiced your objection, please reply and tell me
12m ago
I'll cop to not having read this when I posted (it was behind the paywall), but now it's loading without the paywall for some reason, so...
Today, Mr. Trump’s critics fear that he will use the death of Ms. Zarutska to justify sending federal troops into American cities, as he has already done in Washington, despite statistics showing a downturn in violent crime nationwide.
“Trump’s MAGA allies are trying to use the tragic murder of a service worker in Charlotte, North Carolina, to justify its illegal occupation of U.S. cities,” the Rev. Dr. William Barber, the state’s most prominent African American civil rights leader, wrote in a text message.
[...]
In North Carolina, as in other Southern states, newspapers in the Jim Crow era often egregiously exaggerated stories about Black criminality. Among other things, such stories served as a precursor to a white supremacist uprising in Wilmington, N.C., in 1898, in which at least 60 Black men were killed.
As I said to @ControlsFreak, I wasn't trying to steelman, but fleshman - i.e. model what they were actually thinking. It would seem that my model had some predictive power, although they did say other stuff too.
KMC
13m ago
KMC
16m ago
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
17m ago
In addition to what professorgerm posted (which is what they're currently using), there's also the "Emmet Till Anti-Lynching Act" (18 USC 849(a)(5)), which doesn't provide for death but does provide for 30 years for any racially motivated murder.
VoxelVexillologist
Multidimensional Radical Centrist
23m ago
"missing white woman syndrome"
I'm not sure the implied criticism by this is wrong: the media really does spend disproportionate air time on "cute" victims (Natalee Holloway got a lot of press coverage). See this thread happening now, and not for Debrina Kawam who was lit on fire and killed by an illegal immigrant: the latter was homeless at the time. There really is less media coverage of crimes against Black victims for what I see as complex and circular reasons: for better or worse, nobody really cares about murders in "the hood" and they're hardly rare, so there is comparatively little advocacy for actually stopping it (similarly, "gun violence" advocates care a lot more about school shootings, and seemingly almost not at all about inner-city gang violence) --- and what advocacy there is ends up ineffective IMO partially because it politically ignores some of the causes of that violence, although in the past it's maybe swung the other direction in being callously ham-fisted. I don't think the problems here, or the solutions to it, are easy. And so the cycle continues.
IMO the headline-worthiness bias of "man bites dog" really does the world a disservice by skewing perceptions of the world. If you only follow the news and don't go outside, you'd think dogs were really at high risk of man-bites.
KMC
24m ago
Floyd was alive when he got the hospital, a fact that was ruthlessly suppressed until years afterward.
KMC
26m ago
"I got that white girl," repeated twice, while he was drenched in her blood and before he even left the train.
dev
27m ago
But lots of those dividends and asset sales are from retired people, so you are overestimating average income very substantially when you divide by the workforce.
Yeah, it would be better to divide by total people with taxable income, to include the retirees.
I think the Census and BLS surveys have problems, I'm not sure if they include dividend/asset income, and I've also heard they cap the income recorded for privacy issues (because high earners are rare enough that if they were reported, it would deanonymize the data)
You want to include dividend/corporate profit income as part of the average income calculation, because the whole idea is to put a floor on how much the owners of capital can push down wages using immigration.
100ProofTollBooth
Dumber than a man, but faster than a dog.
28m ago
(Also @HereAndGone and @MadMonzer)
That whooshing sound you heard was the point going over your head.
Understand that I used that illustrative anecdote to make the point that this girl, who "talked the talk" of traditionalism, immediately balked upon the first real imperative to walk the walk. Of course a couple should have these conversations about household finances before they get married. And, yes, I am aware that, in the trad view, women were often expected to manage the money that the men made for a whole host of excellent reasons.
The point is that instead of this "trad" woman taking a breath and working with her fiancee and priest to develop a mutually acceptable, yet doctrinally sound, arrangement, she immediately over reacted in a way that betrayed a lot of very modern feminist thinking. This is why I used the "living in the matrix" imagery earlier. I agree that a lot of "trads" are actually just thoroughly modern people who decided to buy the TradCath / Christian Patriarchy / OrthoBro player Skin from the DLC loot box.
So, please attempt to modulate the 'tism a little and realize that I wasn't trying to offer an underdeveloped thesis on marital finances.
KMC
29m ago
This one is less clear. Reporting suggests that she's listed as a director of operations for a Charlotte nonprofit that Brown may have been referred to, but the org has gone quiet and the site is down.
Whether this particular person paid her via the nonprofit is less important than the fact that she let him go, and also profits from these "diversions."
They took a supposedly 10 minute break from a four hour meeting to have birthday cake and mingle.
They threw a birthday party and served cake, immediately before discussing the murder of a woman on the train, where they tried to downplay the event.
4bpp
Now I am become a Helpful, Honest and Harmless Assistant, the destroyer of jobs
29m ago
This transparently looks like you are feigning an academic interest for how the memes are coming along in order to show us your list of motivational propaganda for your position. Why be so coy about it?
A single incident in a country of hundreds of millions is not data nor does it form a basis for consistent policy, no matter how good the memes made of it are. The other side will have no shortage of incidents they could do the same with - remember the wave of wanton violence against Sikhs after 9/11 by Whites who couldn't or didn't care for the difference? (Here's one, and the perpetrator looks pretty pasty even though I'm sure some polheads will get hung up on the Hispanic surname)
At least the people of the /pol/ thread you linked had some awareness that they were being manipulated, though they had to couch it as "I'm as racist as you, I just hate even more groups" for acceptance.
MadMonzer
Epstein Files must have done something really awful for so many libs to want him released.
32m ago
And of course it isn't technically a murder if the killer is legally insane - which is the scenario most likely to be relevant here.
roystgnr
39m ago
Maximal precision in string literals is referring to a different type of precision. To a software engineer, this sentence is incorrect:
The phrase "my quotation" is the same as "my quotation."
because a period is either part or not part of a string and those two options aren't the same string.
But this sentence is fine:
The quotation "I'm making the point that [X] via a careful logical application of [point Y], and [point Z]" can be summarized as "Y and Z imply X".
because quotation marks are how you indicate that something is a single string variable (a noun phrase, essentially) whose internals have no syntactic impact externally. IMHO it's actually pretty annoying that there's no clean universal English-language way to do this. Often you can get away with punctuation to delimit a phrase if you reword the sentence a little, or you can use a hyphenated-compound-word if it's short enough and if it's needed as disambiguation (which it isn't in this sentence; the rule is so non-universal that I'm already breaking it here), but there's nothing as clean as the programming rule: wrap it in these delimiters and you're done. (Isn't that colon so much more annoying than quotation marks would have been there?)
To an American journalist (and to most non-journalist normies, honestly), the first sentence is fine (it's just using the "typesetters' quotation" rule, common in America, for how commas and periods interact with quotation marks) and the second is wrong (because quotation marks around text are "to identify it as a quotation, direct speech or a literal title or name"), not just a mere paraphrase, unless the paraphrase is also marked via brackets. It's not that journalism is supposed to be less precise, it's just that it's supposed to be following a different set of rules.
I've spent most of my life writing software for fun and for school and for a living, and I frequently have to fix it when I catch myself slipping up (or get caught by others while slipping up) in just this way when writing English, and although I probably fail to catch myself even more often I'm at least trying. I feel that someone who went into the humanities in school and writes English for a living and doesn't have a half dozen incompatible computer languages twisting their brain and does have an editor trying to catch their slip-ups can be fairly held to the same standard.
Moreover, in these cases we're not even talking about misquotations where the rules disagree! Omitting a phrase like "of Alberta" would be incorrect by both journalistic and programmers' rules - the use of quotation marks is fine by programmer's rules, but the semantic meaning of the sentence including it is false! That's even worse! Errors which fail to compile are much better than errors that compile but then give you the wrong results!
I'm still happy (by which I mean persuaded and unhappy) with my theory that technological/economic devastation of newsroom employment means we're now stuck getting our news from people who make bad life choices.
Did you search, at all, to see if it was plausible? Did you question your assumptions before questioning the poster? Because I heard about this part two days ago and have been waiting for someone to post a top-level comment. Every single thing he posted has been widely circulated across my network, it matches what I've seen reported, and the reason it is inflammatory is because of the facts of the event, not because it is untrue.
Yes, the black magistrate who released this guy doesn't have a law degree. Yes, she pays herself to run diversionary programs to which she sends criminals (not unlike the cash for kids judge whose sentence was commuted by Biden). Yes, all the immediate bystanders on video were all black and no, none of them lifted a finger to do anything while the white woman bled out in front of them and the black murderer strolled away. Yes, the city council served a birthday cake and had a celebration immediately before talking about this murder.
It's a lot of work to go find good links to prove each and every small claim, especially since this has been well-trod elsewhere, so please do more than say citation needed and walking off like you've improved the conversation.
Is there any reason you think any of this is untrue, or did it trigger a fnord?
P.S. The murderer said, "I got that white girl," twice, immediately afterwards. Go watch the video yourself if you want proof, but I won't be doing that work for you.
chooky
40m ago
But lots of those dividends and asset sales are from retired people, so you are overestimating average income very substantially when you divide by the workforce. One approach would be to look at BLS CEX survey, which has annual average household income of $102k in 2023, with 1.3 earners, so really more like $78k per earner, which is in line with the income per earner for the 80-90th percentile. Top decile income is $168k, so we are probably not getting to $125k per earner until about the 90th percentile. (https://www.bls.gov/cex/tables.htm)
Or you can look at average personal income directly, which gives only $67k in 2024, though I agree that this one is too low because it is everyone 14 and up. (https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MAPAINUSA646N
$125k seems way too high as an estimate of average income, and $250k is an extremely high salary. I would think a more appropriate threshold would be around $175k. Though I am fairly confused on why a numerical limit on visas would be needed with high salary thresholds and required time commitments, which are already ensuring that you're only bringing in pretty rare abilities.
07mk
41m ago
I see the logic, but it also still doesn't make sense to me. "Republicans pounce" is a well-trodden meme at this point, and using such phrasing signals partisanship that discredits themselves and whatever article is under the headline. Anyone who's been paying attention to US politics and journalism - which should include literally every American journalist writing about Republicans - should be fully aware of this. As such, if I were a cynical partisan Democrat journalist editing a headline, I would make sure to avoid any phrase that has any similarities with this meme, knowing that any such similarities would make my mission of manipulating people into buying into my framing and narrative less likely to succeed.
Now, some might say that these journalists are in echo chambers that prevent them from recognizing how they discredit themselves. Seems reasonable, but this also doesn't escape the same problem as above: everyone knows that everyone is susceptible to echo chambers that are invisible to them. And, again, US journalists who cover US politics should be more aware of this than the typical person. As such, a US journalist should at the very least be highly suspicious that they live in an echo chamber, which means that they're less capable of analyzing and reporting the news credibly to the populace in general, which means they're less capable of manipulating them. Or informing them properly, if you're an honest, good-faith operator. As such, a selfish, cynical, partisan journalist would (and certainly a non-cynical, non-partisan one would) try to gain perspectives from outside their echo chambers, thus allowing them to understand how damning anything similar to "Republicans pounce" is to their credibility.
And yet we see the line - sometimes verbatim - trotted out regularly. It appears as the mirror image of the "Democrats are the real racists" (DRRR) meme, which the left has already developed antibodies for, and as such, just serves to discredit the speaker for playing into their hand.
I'm reminded of the fable of the Scorpion and the Frog far too often these days.
sarker
It isn't happening, and if it is, it's a bad thing
43m ago
The issue is nominal deflation and that has not happened with computers, there has been inflation.
This can't be true, right? The original 8GB iPhone was $600 at the time. The 128GB Pixel 9a launched at $500.
netstack
Texas is freedom land
48m ago
…but had better access to nutrition, sanitation and medicine. I think data is all over the place. Even 1% per birth adds up over a life with 5-8 births!
More to the point, I don’t think a woman has to die in childbirth for it to make her life much more difficult. Assuming that the past was so much easier is hopelessly naive.
professorgerm
You shall love your crooked neighbor, with your crooked heart
53m ago
A federal criminal complaint was filed in U.S. District Court in Charlotte today, charging Decarlos Dejuan Brown Jr., 34, with a federal crime in connection with the fatal attack of Iryna Zarutska on the city’s light rail system. Brown is charged with one count of committing an act causing death on a mass transportation system.
Wait, what?
(7)commits an act, including the use of a dangerous weapon, with the intent to cause death or serious bodily injury to any person who is on property described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (4);
(4)(B)garage, terminal, structure, track, electromagnetic guideway, supply, or facility used in the operation of, or in support of the operation of, a mass transportation vehicle, and with intent to, or knowing or having reason to know,1 such activity would likely, derail, disable, or wreck a mass transportation vehicle used, operated, or employed by a mass transportation provider;
Huh. TIL. Interesting application of a terrorism law.
Yes.
You can't collect antemortem blood from a dead man.
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