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				Culture War Roundup for the week of April 3, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


Humans have only recently begun to value perfect health, and in all previous eras were quite happy with drinking (or smoking) and lounging if they could get away with it. The wealthiest kings with the smartest advisors loved their liquors and candies. The ancient Chinese figure of contentment and joy was Budai, a happy Buddhist figure with a large figure. The Romans considered mead the drink of the gods, the Muslim conception of Heaven entails rivers running with sweet wine, and the Christians conceive of a heavenly banquet in the afterlife.




I feel like the main difference with this to the modern era is that growing fat on amply available tasty foodstuffs used to be an actual accomplishment/indicative of wealth and resources. You'd need the wealth to acquire the good stuff plus avoiding actual hard labor required resources and skill. These days the default state is prettymuch obesity so now fitness is a hard-to-acquire virtue.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of April 3, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


How many Americans speak the relevant languages and dialects to have anything resembling a cogent scholarly opinion on the Indonesian genocides? It's hard to even get publicly-accessible work in English about major events in Chinese history, and they're one of the most important nations on the planet and have been for decades.




How many Americans speak Hebrew, German & whatever smattering of Eastern European languages that the majority of the Holocaust victims spoke?


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of April 3, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Yeah but this feels very much like a 'I am losing the argument or getting insufficient support down in a reply thread rabbithole but I would like to take it back up to the top in search of reinforcements.' kind of a vibe, which IMO isn't what's really desired.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of April 3, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


By "difficult", it's mostly about getting enough people cleared at a high enough level to comb through this stuff. You can't just call up an army of GS-7 clerks to do it. You need fairly expensive individuals cleared at a high level, who then have to be exposed to a politician's ire for doing their job.




And who likely have other functions/jobs to be doing as a function of their high clearance and don't want to be sifting through Politicians' papers for briefs that were of actual political sensitivity for 2 weeks 3 years ago and are yet still legally classified


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of April 3, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


And yet, AND YET, a guy who puts in the hours of practice using thrift-store clubs (that's where mine came from, growing up) will almost always win over the player who merely spent the first guy's yearly salary on equipment.




The game's inherent volatility is also such that the outcomes are variable enough (especially when combined with the handicap system) that it can work as a good social game in terms of the best golfer not always winning, which IMO figures into it's popularity. A bunch of more modern techy sports kind of have the issue that there's pretty huge skill demarcation. I do some bouldering and a lot of jiu-jitsu, which are both sports in which there's a good kind of conviviality but it's very hard to create a competitive game between enthusiasts and hobbyists.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of March 20, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


It's not an oversight. The state wants to foist as much of parenting as possible unto some private citizen and not itself, and women obviously want more freedom to leave marriages and so lobbied for more favorable laws.




Exactly. The system is built to ensure the child gets paid for, not to enforce paternity.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of March 13, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


Also not surprising it's initiated by women given the financial asymmetry at play




I feel like this is a factor, but I also feel like female sexuality tends to be a lot more 100-0/disgust-driven.


Male disinterest is likely to just fade into apathy in a longer term situation, whilst in my meandering experience women tend to be a whole more driven by 'The Ick' & active aversion of a previous partner when they've finally flipped the switch.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of March 13, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
I don't even think that's necessarily a good idea.


The vast majority of male-initiated open relationships I seen have turned into absolute clusterfucks when the guy realizes how gigantic the gulf is between his & her access to casual sexual partners.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of March 13, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
From a lot of random errant 'Me as a single late-twenty something talking to married forty-something coworkers' conversations, I feel like the longterm married/coupled POV can be dissatisfied with their sex lives on account of rather misunderstanding the current moment in singledom.


I've had way too many chats with schlubby 45 year old middle-managers who seem to be convinced that Tinder is a cornucopia of casual sex for everyman and/or that they'd be able to be a 'chad'. Admittedly I've also seen the same play out more than a few times with younger longterm committed friends who've tried opening relationships and/or breaking up with their SOs to sample the market and found themselves deep in the shit.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of March 13, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
The issue with the wording 'mass graves' is that some parties assume that it's inherently indicative of malpractice or massacres via the schooling system. Youth death rates were exponentially higher during the period, especially on colonial frontiers.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of March 13, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Exactly. People don't realize exactly how frequent early deaths were in prior eras, especially in hardscrabble frontier areas.


Even with the reservation schools, shouldn't the important mark of success be '% of a child entering the reservation school making it to adulthood v % of a child staying with the native population making it to adulthood'. It's frustrating how consistently historical inequality is compared to a benchmark of 2020 health & educational outcomes instead of actually doing some sort of historical apples to apples. Australia's Stolen Generation is very similar where, yes, it was a brutal practice but also the life outcomes of the 'stolen' were better than those who remained in the bush.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of March 13, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


The part of the Holocaust denial debates that you are describing doesn't seem parallel to the current state of the dialectic with respect to the Residential Schools mass graves, where the question is their existence rather than scale.




I feel like there's also a substantial clouding with the fact that life on the Canadian frontier was genuinely tough with high youth mortality, and there's reasons why a residential school might have earnest reasons to have a mass grave nearby due to Tuberculosis outbreaks et al. People seem to reflexively frame this as though the region at that point in history was operating on 2020 healthcare norms.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of March 6, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
I do agree that guys should generally be trying to err on the side of doing too much rather than doing too little, and definitely believe that that approach will lead to more success so long as you don't... overpursue the false positives. Fail fast, fail often is probably the best way to go for the vast majority of guys.


I also feel that male rejection and female rejection tend to be fundamentally different. A lot of guys will definitely have a point of 'I could literally not sustain an erection' hard no, but there's also plenty of girls who they wouldn't consider wife/girlfriend material who they'd still nonetheless entertain if they took the front foot. Failure for girls is just as likely to be a situationship/FWB kind of a situation as it is to be an actual flat, firm rejection.


But on the other hand I know enough girls well enough that I've seen them get icked by the most absolutely random stuff in the formative period of a new crush/potential romantic dalliance. I've definitely seen guys fumble a pretty sure thing, but I've also seen a plethora of times where the fumble has been something totally random. I also feel like girls have way more ability to just instantaneously flick the switch from 100-0 and vice-versa in the face of an ick, compared to guys where I feel like attraction levels tend to remain consistent unless a truly shocking revelation comes up.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of March 6, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


The only really open public arena are bars, but they generally aren't much better than tinder, just more time-consuming.




I feel like even the crowd of 'people who are not bar people who are actively going to bars to mingle' is kind of dying out, similar with clubs and stuff. 50 years ago just hanging out at the local pub was far more of a mingling opportunity due to lack of options, but now for most people the clubs are a very infrequent thing or only a rite of passage for a year or two.


I do also agree on the male/female interest thing. I believe the genders are far more self-segregating than they were in recent history, meaning that organic meetings are just harder to come by. I similarly managed to grind online apps to the point of doing okay on them, but if the apps were to shut down tomorrow I'd have no idea how I'd happen across a girlfriend with any consistency. Workplace fraternization has a horrible risk/reward and I'm senior enough it's very unlikely I'd run into a female coworker who I wouldn't be doubly-barred from by relative rank/power dynamic. Vast majority of my hobbies are sausage fests, and whilst 'alright go pick up a girl-dominated hobby as a tribute' is a thing, it feels disingenuous.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of March 6, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
I also think that there's generally been a rise in female and male interest siloing as a result of the great balkanization of media and interests. A lot of guys I know just don't really have plausible pathways to meeting single females outside of the apps, unless they're going to explicitly start taking up feminine-coded hobbies expressly for the purposes of finding a mate.


Especially now that the risk-reward of workplace fraternization is pretty damned horrible if you're in any sort of a career role.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of March 6, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


@f3zinker is correct that the effect of online dating is already disastrous and we've only began to feel it, and that you all are intent on dodging, downplaying and misrepresenting the core issue. Last but not least, it's frankly disheartening that I feel the need to write this disclaimer to preclude another tedious discussion about personal frustrations, inadequacies and attractiveness scores.




I honestly think that it's hard for people who haven't experienced the current post-COVID, online dating ascendancy market to really understand exactly how skewed it is. Even pre-COVID online dating hadn't really settled in with the same level of jadedness, and somebody who's been married for 10 years might as well be from Mars.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of March 6, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Also female approaches are very much built in a couched 'plausible deniability' sort of a framing. I've been a spectator of enough of my female friends' flirtations that they're trying to actually take lead on, and the whole artifice tends to be built in such a manner as for an initial approach to be made with genuine interest but the whole thing can be retconned/denied if for whatever reason there's any icks.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of March 6, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


We're in some kind of weird permanent middle class now whose life circumstances aren't really affected by income and employment.




Yeah. It's insane how common this trend is, where having somebody who decided to buy a decent property sometime in the last 50 years essentially guarantees a certain baseline of salubrity.


Even more insane in Australia where the house you live in isn't factored into your means-testing for the pension, which results in myriad cases of pensioners running their cash balances to 0 and then living on beans in a several million dollar house they bought for pennies 50 years ago solely for the sake of being able to pass said house onto their children when they die.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of March 6, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
It's not like one of them was pulling from a gigantic dating pool, either.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of February 27, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Yeah. The Voice seems very unlikely to do anything productive for full-blooded indigenous in remote areas due to their plight being a gigantic stack of interwoven issues, but will do wonders for a bunch of 1/16th-types who naturally gravitate towards Left wing politics anyway.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of February 27, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
I'd say today the pure non-working housewife role is increasingly economically unviable, which doesn't necessarily mean 'a wife needs a degree', but generally professional roles that work around a maternity schedule will lean that way.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of February 27, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


For white guys, you can probably add 2 or 3 points to your 10 scale appearance rating. Then factor in that the average woman is also 2 or 3 points higher than in the United States. It doesn't seem unreasonable to be dating 9's.




How much of this is just the relatively tiny rate of obesity? I have always felt Asian girls tend to have a higher median but smaller standard deviation in terms of attractiveness. Even here in the West I'll tend to date majority Asian girls, but it's more due to the fact that they're less likely to hit a hard disqualifying factor for a first date than due to an actual preference.


I'm trying to hard filter for single mothers, obesity, complete lack of career/life-seriousness and overly alt tattoos/piercings/whatnot. Those criteria knock out like 3-4% of Asian girls and like what feels like a majority of white women on the apps. Which I think also contributes to a lot of the 'Asian women are most favorable on dating apps' studies since I feel like a lot of men are going to be swiping similar to me (albeit probably not as hard on 3 & 4 but just as hard on 1 & 2) and Asian girls who are fundamentally ineligible tend to be a lot rarer.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of February 27, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
I feel like your point holds through till about 30ish, then they realize the biological window on having children is shutting rapidly (since they'd always wanted them, just assumed it'd be in some sort of nebulous '5 years from now when I'm more settled and met Mr. Right) and then it gets dramatic.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of February 27, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


2.) Men and women's definition of relationship are different. So, yes, the dude that has a FWB he smokes pot with and watches Netflix before having sex isn't a relationship, but she isn't dating anybody else, and they hang out regularly so...




I think that's compounded by dudes having multiple 'semi-committed' relationships on the go at once, in which he considers himself single (as he's continuing to keep dating new girls and nobody's formally clarified the relationship) whilst his partners might consider themselves on the girlfriend track.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of February 27, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


However, most nerdy guys I know who suddenly started getting laid easily - myself included - played the field, like a normal guy in that position.




I feel like a huge amount of this is the sheer grind required to 'ascend' and the rejection along the way, especially in the modern dating app sphere. IMO the majority of both gender rock up with more-or-less good intentions, but it only takes a little bit of exposure to the current culture to reach a state of Fuck You.