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Forgotpassword
1yr ago
Instagram stories usually provide a solid vehicle, since they kind of imitate the 'oh I spontaneously walked past you and we struck up a convo' thing you'd get in other social avenues.
Forgotpassword
1yr ago
For one, she clearly doesn't like you enough to respond. Also, the lack of common courtesy is not something I'd want in a potential mate.
Yeah good part of it in my mind. If somebody's going to be a longterm romantic match, anything but an enthusiastic yes should be treated as a no for the most part.
Forgotpassword
1yr ago
The social convention is essentially that a story is a short-lived Facebook status where you can reply to it via DM. There's a huge social machinery now built around that artifice but it's much easier to generate conversation off 'oh that looks nice, where'd you get it' than just straight up cold DMing people.
Overwhelmingly likely, the latter. You have to remember that women feel attraction in a way fundamentally different from men. They are fickle, extremely selective, exponentially more hypergamous, and basically all-or-nothing. A woman can't be half-interested in somebody, she is either head over heels or wholly uninterested. If you get ghosted you are already in category two, and trying to flip her back into the other state at that point is fighting a losing uphill battle.
Yeah. More time I spend dating, the more I've figured this out. I feel like guy attraction tends to be far more 'oh she's a 6/10, aside from staggering revelations you'll prettymuch stay in the same category in terms of how much effort-to-bang I'll tolerate' whilst girls wildly careen from pedestaling to just death upon hitting an 'ick', especially due to online dating massively increasing the scope of options.
Anybody who's done a decent amount of dating/chatting with women will have seen the hard pivot that occurs. Especially compared to men where the 'hard pivot' tends to be more related to 'obtained sex with X, no longer can be bothered chasing them with the same intensity' or 'realized Y's going to take way more resources than their attraction indicates'
Do agree on the funnel point, but there's always going to be a frustration when a particularly promising lead falls through
Forgotpassword
1yr ago
MASSIVE survivorship bias there, as the millions of dudes who got stuck in the friendzone or ended up with a restraining order or just spent years screaming into the void don't get the same attention.
I also think there's a huge difference between 'persistent through shared social environment' and 'persistent through DMs' since the latter is a lot easier to ignore and doesn't really incorporate other factors.
Forgotpassword
1yr ago
Because they are wholly uninteresting to talk to, unattractive, or I just otherwise don't think they're worth my time. It's the most clear "I'm not interested, but I'm also too busy to reject you" message you can send.
Ghosting also leaves juuust enough of a crack in the rejection that you can go back on it in future if necessary, too. Compared to actually rejecting somebody.
Forgotpassword
1yr ago
It's all private replies to a story.
Forgotpassword
1yr ago
One exercise that may be helpful is thinking back to when someone you'd gone out with clearly liked you, but you didn't have as strong a reciprocal romantic interest in them. What did it make you feel towards them when they were more persistent? Like texting you often and trying to get you to go out again? Did it increase whatever romantic interest you had? Or decrease it? In my experience, persistence decreases my interest in someone who I'm "on the fence" about.
Feel like it's a bit different as a guy, though.
Like how I feel about a person I'm completely disinterested in showing concerted enthusiasm when it's a no for a plethora of reasons is different to somebody who's on the bubble showing proactivity and enthusiasm. Then again there's a difference between 'girl is actively driving the conversation and seems interested' to 'girl is literally stalking'
Also the whole dynamic around objectives. I tend to assume a woman's more romantically-minded if she's chasing hard, as opposed to with men approaching women there's far more of an unspoken expectation of 'all overtures are to get into the panties'.
Forgotpassword
1yr ago
Honestly Black Panther is a narrative mess anyway since like even ceding 'they were noninterventionalist' means that they've happily twiddled their thumbs through a boatload of fucked up happenings on the continent.
Without even getting into the whole 'Yes, Compton is the greatest scene of African suffering in the world' hilarity.
Forgotpassword
1yr ago
After about 50 first dates this year, and a few what I'd consider to be 'soft ghosts' where social media was exchanged after date 1, maybe a message or two, but the conversation fizzled naturally/a second date wasn't formally asked for...
Then again I don't really know what the standard people have for 'ghosting' is. If we exchange 'It was lovely to meet you, have a good day!' texts after a date and then I just don't pursue from there I don't feel it's a ghost as I haven't really ignored an advance... but gut feeling is that the women may feel somehow slighted in some cases.
Forgotpassword
1yr ago
Also frankly a first date can be enjoyable whilst still providing an opportunity to notice a dealbreaker or two that precludes further developing the relationship. I've had some great chats and fun vibes with girls on first dates that did genuinely go pretty well, but also revealed red flags that meant I didn't reach out for a second date since I felt it'd be unproductive.
The reality of the gender dynamic is that prettymuch anything female-presenting will have an infinite inbox, and that there's other fish in the sea. Not only that but you're likely competing with people who are flatout lovebombing or otherwise putting up inauthentic signals which makes it even harder if you're trying to be moderated and honest.
Forgotpassword
1yr ago
It is a loss, but like better to have a constructive mindset about moving onto the next one (especially if it's online dating and somebody ghosting after barely any time together) instead of torturing yourself over what could have been.
Without even getting into the whole 'The girl you're pining over who you got a couple hours of glimpse of on their best behavior probably has a host of human flaws that you didn't get to see'ness of it all.
Forgotpassword
1yr ago
I'd personally consider it ghosting if, after meeting in person, somebody doesn't respond to an invitation/clear attempt to reach out and start a conversation.
I just think with Girl Logic sometimes there's a certain unspoken 'By responding to his polite after-date communication I've made it clear that he is permitted to continue chasing'
Forgotpassword
1yr ago
Yes. Incredibly fair. Especially economic gains which were essentially illusory inflated 2020 ones which people are now endlessly crying about giving back to the market.
Admittedly I work in Crypto-adjacent fields and the amount of people who seem to feel that 2020/1 was pure inborn skill and that 2022 is somehow totally unanticipated..
We're also barely touching the tip of the iceberg of the lockdown fallout. Education disrupted, cultural shifts and all for... what, exactly
Forgotpassword
1yr ago
I work in the industry and the whole thing is absurd.
Honestly unit economics on actually converting somebody from a non-gambler to a gambler are pretty awful in terms of cost per acquisition versus what a 'fresh' gambler will contribute. Takes a few years to mature.
But unlimited VC funds + not acknowledging a severe Pareto principle + growth metrics being all the rage have led to some very stupid decision making in the space of gambling market. All likely ends in tears, harder regulation and hiked tax rates.
Forgotpassword
1yr ago
Eh.
You're assuming a fair marketplace. Bookies happily throw out/massively cut the betsizes of anybody who's even somewhat likely to win, and unless you're just rorting promos (which is actually pretty easy and free money as long as they last), sports betting markets are pretty damned efficient.
In a perfect world where bookies had to take 'sharp' action, I think this'd be a fairer take, but then again sharp action is so rare that most people aren't even cognizant that limiting is a thing.
Forgotpassword
1yr ago
Parimutuel only really gets used for horses these days, and even that's being eroded as fixed odds gets switched on. I've worked in the industry for a variety of different operators, in different roles, and generally the book's bankroll is so absurdly deep compared to the individual bettor that there's no significant sweats on day-to-day betting.
There's been some cases such as Mayweather-McGregor where there was an infinite supply of McGregor bets at large prices where a hypothetical win would have been very bad for the industry, but that's atypical. Trump-Biden was also another one of those down here in Australia where books had a sufficient potential liability on Trump they were literally encouraging arbitrage.
Forgotpassword
1yr ago
I think there's been some cultural impacts. Weirdly dating culture essentially getting shepherded onto the apps has proven stickier than people'd expect, but yeah as a whole the whole thing's been a bit of a nothingburger. Probably pointing towards it being hysteria.
Even a mass elderly die-off likely'd have been shrugged off after a year or two, in the hypothetical worst case scenarios.
Forgotpassword
1yr ago
Immunity debt is a possibility but needs more studies.
The whole COVID debacle illustrated pretty profoundly how much public health academica is a circlejerk of people who called for lockdowns then marking their own homework. Honestly the way that the period has killed a lot of trust in science & politicans will be one of the bigger legacies.
Forgotpassword
1yr ago
Also likely massive wealth-transfer effects as the elderly moved on inheritances.
Forgotpassword
1yr ago
Plus, in theory if you get the streamer addicted, you can probably pay them less and less and they'll still play your games on stream.
Having negotiated some of these deals, generally they're being paid an absolutely obscene amount of cash but have a minimum turnover requirement/additional payments for hitting certain hourlies.
Forgotpassword
1yr ago
Certain operators had a 8-figure liability on Trump so they pushed their price on Biden high enough that users could lock-in a small guaranteed profit by betting Biden with them and Trump on competitors.
Forgotpassword
1yr ago
Disrupting the exercise habits and diets of millions of people likely would cause an increase in heart disease, as well.
Forgotpassword
1yr ago
That prompt works for a lot of no-gos with a little nudging!
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I feel like a lot of those 'persistence' stories had to do with being in actual semi-frequent social contact, though. I know guys who've managed to get with girls after knowing them for literal years, but it's all stuff where a friend group provided the anchor. It wasn't just him randomly DMing her apropos of nothing for a decade straight.
Online Dating's different since the majority of the time, once somebody's opted out of your life, you've got a very small chance of running into them by happenstance or getting any real chance to change the previous impressions of yourself.
Compared to people who are in the same friend group/class/very immediate geographic circumstances where there's a greater natural pressure to fix any issues and give time to reassess.
I live in a medium-sized metro, and it's honestly consistently surprising to me how often the girls I match with/date really don't have much social overlap with my own circles. It's unusual at this point if there's a mutual friend on Facebook or whatever. Like I've had multiple dates where I've felt that 'eh that clunked a bit but additional exposure probably fixes it for one/both of us' but it's just far from a given in the current metagame.
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