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George_E_Hale

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The things you lean on / are things that don't last

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George_E_Hale

insufferable blowhard

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The things you lean on / are things that don't last


					

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after one cleaned up the slightly muddled argument

Unnecessary dig.

That is certainly one way to be. I'm more a friend in need is a friend in deed. Though I don't actually know what the hell that means. I help whoever when I can. I help people with bags. I helped an old woman today work the coffee machine in the hospital 7-11. But I tend to take over tasks as my own if I'm helping. I don't want to be told every little thing, that pisses me off. But sure.

That's interesting, I wonder if that is the median view here. I disagree with him as much as I agree on the whole. Which is a better record than many.

That assumes you're interested. If you give her a hand and are aloof and disinterested you've lost exactly nothing. Women can smell a guy who moves the boxes or whatever because he wants to get laid. Like almost everything there's no real rule here. There's, as always, calibration of your behavior and how you carry yourself. Would you disagree?

A Snatch by any other name..

I learned the word chav about 20 years ago. At the place I was working at the time there was a considerable culture of non-Japanese, mostly American/Australian/British. A gay American man, an Aussie woman and an American woman joined brains and came up with the idea to celebrate American Thanksgiving but in what they called collectively "chavvy" style. This meant those of us invited were to wear sweatpants and sportswear (I wasn't entirely sure of this) but also bring what was termed chavvy food. I mention the man was gay only to suggest the idea had its roots in women and gayness. Anyway chavvy food, that's what we were told to bring for the potluck.

This ended up meaning the food I had eaten all my life unironically for Thanksgiving, namely green bean casserole and cornbread dressing (both of which I made myself and brought.) I don't remember much about this festive afternoon/evening except that I got drunk, and that what I made, anyway, was good. I think I also ended up making the gravy. This was one of many experiences I've had with people from outside my world, whereby I realized Southern (white) culture down to the food was viewed as lowbrow. Later reading Nancy Isenberg I would realize such views could even be codified.

Looking back I'm sometimes baffled why I hung out with the people I hung out with, but sometimes living abroad you end up with odd acquaintances. Not trying to derail the thread, I am enjoying reading the discussion.

Snatch Brad Pitt, Jason Statham, seen it many times. No?

You're suggesting veterans are stupid and inept?

Going to have to update my Motte dossier.

Was that at age what, like a year old? Or did you begin speaking later?

I haven't watched SNL for years but I remember Archie Bunker. Norman Lear was pretty progressive in his day.

Self-reported psychometrics tests always seem dubious to me, including personality tests. (This does not mean I'm suggesting you're autistic.)

As a fellow young at heart if nothing else, I sometimes wonder if, years before it was common, I shouldn't have been diagnosed with something, or if the something I should have been diagnosed with that veered me (and continues to veer me) from typical normal hasn't been identified yet. But as you imply, the usefulness of a diagnosis is debatable, particularly if framed as a disability rather than superpower or talent.

You wer investigated for a fraudulent marriage?

Are people here as autistic as everyone jokes that everyone is or is that just humor? In the survey posted a month ago (tongue-in-cheekily) I was forty something percent German and about as much autistic, but that was entertainment. Are people going on diagnosed autism or just vibes?

Don't answer of course if this is personal.

I hadn't realized the Tommy Lee Jones commercials were shown outside Japan. He's still doing them, though the way they're set up I suspect his parts are now all filmed stateside and CGd in. Enjoy reading this.

Carnegie, at least that book, did not strike me as manipulative. It was more like "Be the kind of person that is likeable" and can actually effect change in someone else's view (possibly a naive hope in today's online climate where everything is rhetoric).

To answer, to me it seems like a difference in kind, though I could probably be argued into agreeing that it's actually a difference in degree. The goals of PUA (in practical terms, and as it is often presented in the forms I've seen it) seem more crass and selfish. Again, in The Game I believe Strauss was proposing more of a make yourself a better man philosophy, but that's been corrupted, in my view. To me it's not even the commodifying of the practice (which Carnegie also did, via lectures etc.) it's the purported goals.

It's surreal watching Anwar Congo sort of reenact how he would cut people's throats with wire in the chairs they had rigged up. I was also not particularly moved by what some viewers say was his epiphany of the brutality of his own behavior.

Similar to be sure, but in practice quite different..This seems obvious to me. I'm typing while walking so forgive the short reply.

Well, there's the Dale Carnegie how to win friends and influence people, and then there's the Machiavellian exploitation of others for one's own benefit, or to get one's rocks off. I see a difference.

...which makes sense, because the PUA/Game materials are overwhelmingly not about self-improvement, betterment, wellbeing or personal growth as much as grimoires teaching manipulation, deceit, and an approach of smoke and mirrors to get up the skirts (or down the pants, for Americans) of women.

I remember Neil Strauss's book back in the day had its share of how to be "your best self" segments (it was very readable) but his original strain of PUA seems to have been subsumed by the more opportunistic, commodified variety schooling young men to use, for lack of a better word, trickery. Guys who buy into that schtick (literally spending money) deserve a certain amount of sympathy, but then feeling pity for them is the aphrodisiacal equivalent of tarring them with feces.

I didn't realize when responding how long the discussion was. Apparently no one else had my impression, in any case.

I think in your scenario you're conflating promiscuity (willingness to engage in sex with multiple partners, even multiple partners who are strangers or are relative strangers) and being DTF one's significant other. In my experience (sudden screech of mic feedback) once in a committed relationship, women are DTF almost as much as men, if not moreso (in marriage I'd say moreso, though YMMV, and it's true I married well past my excruciatingly lustful late teens and twenties.)

Now times may have a' changed, it's true, I guess, at least one reads that no one's having sex anymore. They say that about Japan as well but I am convinced that's just bad data.

I'll try to make an effort post at some point, thanks for the interest.

Are you saying you don't nuzzle up to your ChatGPT?

Regarding tarantulas and cockroaches, kill them with fire. We used to have quite large (big-ass) cockroaches in Alabama, and once I felt the hair on my neck stand up when I saw one launch itself from a high wall and flutter its infernal wings as it glided to the floor. As for spiders I am a lifelong arachnophobe. The camel spiders of the Kalahari (yes yes not arachnids) compounded that trauma tenfold.