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Well, I've been switching back and forth between Windows 10 and Linux Mint for a few weeks now. Windows for work, and Linux for pleasure. I stopped trying to have steam share a steam library between both OS's. For one, Linux and Windows kept fighting over whether the linux or windows versions of the games should be installed. Second, I saw a lot of posts about how Linux eventually corrupts NTFS drives if you try to use them for anything other than simple data storage. So that's a thing I guess.
I've been playing Doom 2016 in Linux thanks to Proton, and it's pretty OK. Every now and again pulling up the menu tanks the framerate, but not consistently. Outside of that it runs fantastic. Because I'm a fucking nerd, I got some simple C programming with SDL set up, as well as a Rust dev environment because I decided I need to learn that. I hate it. It disagrees with all my sensibilities about "talking computer", and thus far I find it's constructs around "borrowing" references silly and contrived, especially in light of being able to assign unsafe sections of code that ignore it's memory safety rules. I guess it assumes you'll be responsible with that, but it feels like a half measure to me, and no replacement for actual skill. All the same, since I mostly work on government contracts, a day may come where it's a requirement.
Anyways, Linux seems like a super viable alternative to Windows these days thanks to Proton. If my work didn't require windows, I'd try to shift over to it entirely. But since a local instance of IIS is essential in my day to day work, that's incredibly unlikely.
lol, I'll put this in hardcore WoW terms: many imagine skill as being able to stylishly finesse your way out of thorny situations; anyone who's ever succeeded at this game mode knows the real skill is not getting yourself into bad situations in the first place. For example, Xaryu -- professional WoW streamer and many-time rank-1 PVP gladiator -- died in the harpy cave in an extremely stylish way. In his next run, did he learn how to super-skill the harpy cave even betterer? Well, yes, in the truly high-IQ way: he decided going in there was a terrible decision in the first place and he wouldn't do so this time. He hit 60 on that character.
This is the difference between a C++ developer mindset and a Rust developer mindset. It is the humility to accept that you are, in fact, not skilled enough to get it right all the time, so you should stop playing with fire in the first place.
I think that argument just isn't supported by the evidence of 40 years of computers more or less working just fine. People are skilled enough to just get it right enough of the time. I think arguments otherwise are just Rust fanatics pretending the history of computer can be broken up into Pre-Rust and Post-Rust eras.
The problem is that suddenly, thanks to the internet, literally every single line of code needs to become a hardened attack surface. "Exploits" didn't matter in a pre-internet age, and I also question how much Rust will really address them. I doubt at the end of the day a Windows written increasingly in Rust will prove more secure than a Windows written in C. I think Rust is necessitated more by the falling skill level of corporate programmers than anything else, and I also doubt it will remediate that problem. If anything treating Rust as a panacea for a lack of skill will only make the problems worse. Less buffer overflow exploits perhaps, still plenty of attack surface for malicious actors to abuse.
All that is an aside though to my dislike of Rust, which I'm only learning for professional reasons. I said it disagrees with my sensibilities about "talking computer", and let me elaborate on that.
I want to bit-fuck the hardware I paid for however I wish. I want to bend over my mechanical slave and force it to do my bidding without a single complaint. I have friends who gravitate towards LISP or Go, I gravitate towards assembly. I want to be at the metal with a big spiked club, with the CPU to afraid to talk back. Because I don't tolerate backtalk from my machines.
I mean, the person reverse-engineering the Mac M1 GPU and building a Linux driver for it is doing so in Rust. I don’t know how much more bare-metal you can get than that.
Rust isn’t about gaining safety by being far from the hardware, the way memory managed languages with runtimes are; it’s about giving the systems programmer a mental model that actually has some degree of engineering sense behind it. You seem to have the impression that C++’s danger is what makes it an appealing tool, but the danger is to the user not accomplishing their intended goal, not to an enemy: it’s a kitchen knife which is all blade and no handle. Moar blaDe doesn’t make the knife better at cutting food into sizes and shapes you want for your sandwich.
And disdain for C++ long predates Rust. If you need to copy your opinions from someone high-status, I’ll defer to Linus Torvalds on the matter.
While I do find the fanaticism around Rust offputting, especially considering how gay it is, the language itself is actually grounded in a better theoretical foundation than its legacy competitors.
Yeah the Rust community is... not a great place. It tends to be very politicized and hostile to anyone who doesn't like that. And as you said, there's a weirdly high occurrence of trans people and furries who make that front and center of their programming blogs. No idea what that's about, but as someone who just wants to program I kinda hate the community. But the language is good even if the community is off-putting.
This is also why I haven't gone into LLMs, except instead of the community it's the models themselves that are gay (or you need to spend hours figuring out which ones have had the gayness removed).
It's because they're not programmers, they're math people who just happen to express that through programming (which is why they don't fully understand the "no backtalk from my machines" programmer mindset). These are the academic, math -> programming as end types rather than the programming-as-means/[software] engineer types (who tend to be natively compatible with imperative languages).
You can usually tell if a language was made by these sorts of people if it's a.) a functional-first language (where it's both mathematically pure and hence completely fucking useless), or b.) uses the penis operator ":=" to declare variables. These guys also tend to really love Vim for the same reason.
R1 is not gay and will readily roleplay as literally Hitler if you jailbreak it. admittedly it's a bit harder now since they removed the web search but should be still doable.
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