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It does seem more likely to me that this is underclass behavior than a self-defense video from a rapey migrant. However:
It is written in the scriptures that:
Now we're not talking about the scientific establishment this time, but a part of the United Kingdom. While this incident is not from Rotherham or Yorkshire, the state and its justice system from have a history of covering up child abuse by immigrants in the name of "community relations", as well as coming down disproportionately heavily on people who object. While you might say there are proportionately fewer migrants in Scotland, external online observers are going to be aware of Scotland's woke politics. There was the
Adam GrahamIsla Bryson case, where a rapist adopted a transgender identity during the court process, and was sent to a woman's prison. A sibling comment already mentioned the railroading of Count Dankula. There was also the £7bn superinjunction covering up the importing of 18000–19000 Afghans. It is very easy to say "we found no evidence" if "we" choose not to look very hard, and very easy for an external online observer to believe that the police and other systems in Scotland would do just that, given that we know from West Yorkshire that local police have been part of cover-ups in the past.So I think it is perfectly rational to have suspicious priors if one is familiar with Rotherham and the extent of similar coverups in the UK, only saw a still from the video, and/or only read suspiciously carefully worded articles from mainstream sources. But the perspective of the camera in the video makes it harder to believe. Screaming "pedophile!" is a weapon underclass kids know how to wield; so is the reflexive "phone camera on, start recording" move. If there was a migrant behaving inappropriately I would expect to see him in the shot, as well as the armed girl.
It has been alleged that the camera man perved on the the 12yo sister and when rebuffed hit her and planted her on the ground, then the older sister went and got her dual wielding setup.
I am having trouble reconstructing this scenario mentally.
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I would like to get the other side of the story, but preferably not from internet randos.
Unfortunately the only things I can find arguing that story are still at the "screenshots of chats" level of evidence.
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I would also suspect that genuinely creepy migrants wouldn't be filming the altercation. If deterred they'd just book it.
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