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Quality Contributions Report for December 2022

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A few comments from the editor: first, sorry this is a little late, but you know--holidays and all. Furthermore, the number of quality contribution nominations seems to have grown a fair bit since moving to the new site. In fact, as I write this on January 5, there are already 37 distinct nominations in the hopper for January 2023. While we do occasionally get obviously insincere or "super upvote" nominations, the clear majority of these are all plausible AAQCs, and often quite a lot of text to sift through.

Second, this month we have special AAQC recognition for @drmanhattan16. This readthrough of Paul Gottfried’s Fascism: Career of a Concept began in the Old Country, and has continued to garner AAQC nominations here. It is a great example of the kind of effort and thoughtfulness we like to see. Also judging by reports and upvotes, a great many of us are junkies for good book reviews. The final analysis was actually posted in January, but it contains links to all the previous entries as well, so that's what I'll put here:

Now: on with the show!

Quality Contributions Outside the CW Thread

@Tollund_Man4:

@naraburns:

@Bernd:

@FiveHourMarathon:

@RandomRanger:

@Iconochasm:

Contributions for the week of December 5, 2022

@zeke5123:

@ymeskhout:

@FiveHourMarathon:

@gattsuru:

@Southkraut:

@Bernd:

@problem_redditor:

@FCfromSSC:

@urquan:

@gemmaem:

Sexulation

@RococoBasilica:

@problem_redditor:

Holocaustianity

@johnfabian:

@DaseindustriesLtd:

@SecureSignals:

Coloniazism

@gaygroyper100pct:

@screye:

@urquan:

@georgioz:

Contributions for the week of December 12, 2022

@SecureSignals:

@Titus_1_16:

@Dean:

@cjet79:

@JarJarJedi:

@gattsuru:

@YE_GUILTY:

@aqouta:

@HlynkaCG:

Contributions for the week of December 19, 2022

@MathiasTRex:

@To_Mandalay:

Robophobia

@gattsuru:

@IGI-111:

@NexusGlow:

Contributions for the week of December 26, 2022

@FCfromSSC:

@gattsuru:

@LacklustreFriend:

@DaseindustriesLtd:

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explicitly describe the "final solution" as the evacuation of the Jews to the East

See https://www.themotte.org/post/297/quality-contributions-report-for-december-2022/51776?context=8#context

Even if you interpret it in painfully positive way it still has explicitly (1) A majority of people will not survive this (2) The survivors will have to be "treated" as not to serve as a "gamete" for the reconstruction of European Judaism (3) Mixed children will, with some exceptions, be expelled, forced into "evacuation", or sterilised.

Calling it evacuation is extremely misleading and you know it. I bet that you would be really unhappy if you and your family would be "evacuated" in this way.

I bet that you would be really unhappy if you and your family would be "evacuated" in this way.

Of course I would be unhappy about it. I might be motivated to lie about my experiences in order to inflict maximum damage on my oppressors, and I'm sure the Soviet Union or Steven Spielberg would have been happy to use my eyewitness testimony in their investigation and show-trials and Oscar-winning films.

The "final solution" was the expulsion of Jews from Europe. So the Protocol's emphasis that Jews cannot be allowed to reestablish themselves in Europe after the war is 100% consistent with that interpretation. Why would they expel them just for them to come back after the war? That doesn't mean they are going to be exterminated. On the other hand, the long-standing Nazi support for the idea of a Jewish state as well as documents proving the Madagascar Plan was still under serious consideration by Hitler himself well into the war... these well-documented plans were fully compatible with the proclamation you are trying to claim is indicative of an extermination plan.

Letter by Franz Rademacher, Head of AA Referat D III (Jewish Affairs), to Harold Bielfeld, Head of AA Pol. X (Africa and Colonial Affairs), February 10, 1942.

In August 1940 I gave you for your files the plan for the final solution of the Jewish Problem, drafted by my office, for which purpose the Madagascar Island was to be demanded from France in the Peace Treaty, while the Reich Security Main Office was to be charged with the actual execution of the task. In accordance with the plan, Gruppenführer Heydrich has been ordered by the Führer to carry out the solution of the Jewish Problem in Europe.

In the meantime the war against the Soviet Union has offered the possibility of putting other territories at our disposal for the final solution. The Führer accordingly has decided that the Jews shall not be deported to Madagascar but to the East. Therefore it is no longer necessary that Madagascar be taken into consideration for the final solution.

Again, the direct reading is what Revisionists claim while historians rely on allegations of coded language.

The "final solution" was the expulsion of Jews from Europe.

Except that by 1942, when the Wannsee conference took place, this effort had been abandonded. In fact, expulsion was banned. All of this is explicitly described in the Wannsee protocols.

In fact, you quoted the part of the document mentioning that expulsion had been banned in another reply to me, so you must have read it. Why the amnesia?

You have misunderstood the documents. Voluntary emigration was banned for security reasons. Involuntary deportation was the final solution.

Yes. Involuntary deportation to different parts of Europe during the course of which the majority of victims was expected to die and the survivors would have to be "treated". That is very different from your claim that the Endlösung means "expulsion from Europe".

What do you think "treated" means in this context? If you wanted to be extremely charitable, you could argue that it means sterilisation. But I'd like you to actually make that claim.

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