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Does anyone know how to get confirmation / denial from the police or prosecutors as a random nobody from another country? We might be getting a update on the Braveheart incident.
Highly sophisticated Twitter anons are now claiming that Fatos Ali Dumana has been charged with assaulting a minor:
Now, this isn't new information per se, as @FistfullOfCrows pointed out "it has been alleged". I can't find the link to where I first saw the allegation, but I've seen it, and remained skeptical thinking "shouldn't there be a medical report"? Lo, and behold, there seems to be one attached to the above tweet.
Ok, it's still trivial to fake something like this, it would be nice to get some sort of confirmation from a disinterested source.... oh, look (Turn off javascript to read. I tried archiving it, but they seem to have countermeasures) a local newspaper is saying that """Two further people""", """a man and a woman""", have been charged as a result of the incident. No names are named (funny how you can dox a little girl, but somehow adults are a step to far), so who knows, maybe it's the girl's parents that are being charged, but with all the other irregularities around the incident, and the newspaper's cageyness around the names of the suspects I wouldn't bet on it.
So... does anyone know how to go about confirming / denying this? @self_made_human, you're in Scotland, would you be willing to make some phone calls?
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I feel like further details will just indicate that this is a deranged Indigenous Chav v invasive Chav situation but also it's hard to come up with many good reasons for why the United Kingdom needed to import a Fatos Ali to occupy one of its esteemed council houses
My guess is she’s going to turn out to be carrying a hatchet to impress some 16 year old petty drug dealer, this Turk from Bulgaria confronted her and it escalated into a confrontation with Florida-man efficiency.
I'm taking bets at this point. Most girls don't behave that way, and the ones that do don't look and act like her.
Ma'khai Bryant is an existence proof of immature girls with a melee weapon being a legitimate lethal threat, but she was sixteen, not twelve. YMMV on the relevance, but I'd say a twelve-year-old girl with knife/hatchet is still a deadly threat, and register confusion with arguments in the previous thread that the idea of a twelve-year-old girl being able to seriously harm someone with a large knife or hatchet is somehow laughable. In my view, this is an exceedingly rare occurrence because of the normative psychological incapacity toward killing wrath of twelve-year-old girls, not because of any innate physical incapacity. Edged weapons greatly magnify the harm a given amount of force can inflict.
When I watched the video after reading a fair amount of discussion, it updated me against the girls somewhat; it did not look to me like clear-cut, innocent self-defense, more like belligerent brandishing. I thought it was at least plausible that the girls were in the wrong and the guy was trying to get evidence on camera. On the other hand, I was fairly disgusted by the general assumption by many that self-defense was illegitimate a priori, and I think British laws against arming oneself for purposes of self defense, even by kids, even in public, utterly farcical.
So, basically, at this point I'm breaking out the popcorn and would love to see more evidence.
Yeah but she's black. I recall an Uber driver in New York somewhere who got killed in a carjacking by some black girls. Plus another such case:
https://people.com/3-teen-girls-plead-guilty-killing-woman-73-dragged-carjacking-8405687
I can't easily find similar hooligan-style violence by white girls against random people they don't know. They can certainly torture and kill their fellow peers but that seems like more of a personal/emotional/passion thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Shanda_Sharer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Skylar_Neese
Ma'khai Bryant and Briniyah shouldn't generalize to Alice and Emma, the base rates seem very different.
This wasn't Alice and Emma. These were Chav girls- the British equivalent of football names.
Let's be frank here - Lola and Ruby sound like straight-up hooker names.
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Well, are Chav girls known to be super violent? I put 'Chav girls UK violent attack stranger' into my search engine and all I find is the Southport stabbings, grooming gangs...
Are we really supposed to believe that these white teen girls are going around menacing, only for heroic Turks from Bulgaria to stand up in defence of decency? Man bites dog, I want to see evidence that this is a sort of thing that happens.
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