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Culture War Roundup for the week of January 16, 2023

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The rightoid conspiracy theorists are directionally correct, though, aren't they? "The elites want a future where blue collar people to eat bugs and live in pods" is a reasonable extrapolation of (a) the elite's climate doomerism, (b) spiralling (upwards) urban house prices, and (c) the Davos class' obvious contempt for the Western working class.

If Klaus Schwab and his more successful attendees don't want this future, it's only because they haven't played out their own beliefs far enough in their own heads, not because it's anathema to them. It will be their intent if it's not already; they just haven't game-planned that far. This is precisely why the rightoid memes are believed - because they're credible, because they're consistent with what we know about these people, because they're coherent with the visions of the future which they have stated publicly.

Trying to tar belief in these conspiracies as "embarrassing" is just shaming tactics, and you'll not "tut tut how gauche and low status" me out of them by making irrelevant points that Klaus Schwab himself is kind of a loser (to the extent that a man with a million dollar salary can be a loser). Yeah, he's not in the Illuminati, but his opinions are representative of the heads of government that come to his ski resort, who are.

The rightoid conspiracy theorists are directionally correct, though, aren't they? "The elites want a future where blue collar people to eat bugs and live in pods" is a reasonable extrapolation of (a) the elite's climate doomerism, (b) spiralling (upwards) urban house prices, and (c) the Davos class' obvious contempt for the Western working class.

The left can say the same thing about their own conspiracies, too. "Even if it was a hoax, blacks still face systemic oppression, so it's a teachable moment and not completely divorced from the stark reality blacks face in America today."

They can't even point to a system. The WEF at least has proposals, and is part of a movement that has passed legislation in every Western country. Systemic racism is spaghetti monster level stuff.

They can find a quote from a CEO of a fortune 500 company?

My experience among these elites of the world is they do not have contempt for the working class because that requires some measure of emotional valence towards a group they basically have little contact with. Their contempt is reserved for those close to their station. The nouveau riche as it were (in influence terms).

Its more they are entirely detached than contempt. Notably I was brought on to the higher echelons of the civil service and then into politics and lauded as being from below decks so to speak.

My dad was a headmaster, I went to grammar school and university. I'm middle class but I might as well have been from a council house in Stoke from their perspective.

You always have elites, being indifferent rather than openly hateful might be our best option.

I think the difference is that the elites aren't going to be banning large homes and meat, they're just trying to price in externalities as appropriate. The conspiracies are embarrassing because the have the vibe of "The elites hate us and we should angrily riot to resist them". The better response would be try to come up with other more acceptable solutions that price in externalities.

they're just trying to price in externalities as appropriate

"Ban? No, no. I'm just going to tax you until you are too poor to eat a hamburger or have a garage. But we aren't banning anything."

they're just trying to price in externalities as appropriate

UN claims that climate change is threat to human survival. There are 8 B humans alive today. FEMA claims that a human life is worth 7.5 M USD. The world produces 59.4 B kg of beef per year.

Putting these numbers together, 8B*7.5M USD/(59.4B kg)=1010101 USD/kg is what the tax on beef should be for the consumer to fully internalize the externality of human extinction.

I would say that such price amounts to ban for all but the superwealthy.

Fully outside the context of conspiracy theories, recent history and existing upcoming plans on bans vs pricing in externalities hasn't been promising. Or even just letting people judge internal costs themselves, in the case of incandescent lights.

And I'm not even sure to what extent the pushback comes from elites, versus populists. Some brands of populist like bans because many people read 'pricing in externalites' as letting rich people keep sinning while the masses suffer, vs the fairness of everyone suffering.

I think the difference is that the elites aren't going to be banning large homes and meat, they're just trying to price in externalities as appropriate.

It's not happening, and it's good that it is?

This is like defending the pizzagate conspiracy by saying that sure, the actual comet pizza allegation might have been total bullshit (I’m not saying it is or isn’t, only using it as an example here), but “some elites” are “predators” so it’s still “kind of true”. Like yeah maybe, but you’ve gone from a specific allegation to a general one.

Wait a tick, you are willing to declare the Davos/WEF/Illuminati conspiracy embarrassing nonsense, but you are only willing to say the comet pizza allegation was bullshit provisionally? Have you not looked into it as much as you have the WEF conspiracy?

“Broadly Klaus Schwab has similar views to those of the technocratic neoliberal global elites who attend his conference” is a banal statement. It’s also one I and probably everyone agrees with. It says nothing and contributes to nothing, it’s barely even an allegation.

Yes, but "Klaus Schwab, while personally unimpressive, has played a very important function as a facilitator and connector between global capital and a particular set of ideas, and as such has played a large role in the deployment of capital in service of those ideas (i.e. climate doomerism, disdain for suburbs and mid/high-wage western workers, etc.)" is not so banal.