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naraburns  nihil supernum  2mo ago (text post)   6320 thread views

Quality Contributions Report for September 2025

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@Dean:

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Contributions for the week of August 25, 2025

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Contributions for the week of September 1, 2025

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@Dean:

@FiveHourMarathon:

@RandomRanger:

Contributions for the week of September 8, 2025

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@100ProofTollBooth:

@ArjinFerman:

@FiveHourMarathon:

@Southkraut:

@CrispyFriedBarnacles:

@vorpa-glavo:

@Testing123:

@problem_redditor:

Okay, Chuck. Another Fine Mess You've Gotten Us Into.

@NullHypothesis:

@oats_son:

@CrispyFriedBarnacles:

@jake:

@Iconochasm:

@MonkeyWithAMachinegun:

Contributions for the week of September 15, 2025

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@kky:

@Dean:

Contributions for the week of September 22, 2025

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@Tractatus:

@Zephyr:

Contributions for the week of September 29, 2025

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I tend to agree with one of the replies to @MonkeyWithAMachinegun ‘s post. I find the most damning thing about the discourse on political violence to be the enablement and incitement and lack of contrition by the left to be far more concerning than the actual numbers for a couple of reasons.

First of all. Because it does absolutely nothing to slow tge growth of such violence. If mainstream media sources are talking night after night about how conservatives are a threat to democracy, fascist, violent, and so on, this creates the radicalized people necessary (not necessarily sufficient, but necessary) to produce attacks. It also creates the environment that enables those attacks by normalization of the idea that certain parts of the political spectrum are too radical to be dealt with through the normal process. The modern cosmology of Fascism is that it occupies the place where Satan lives in the Christian world: a vile creature to be shunned and defeated by any means at your disposal.

Second because it reveals just how much support there is on the left for this sort of thing. Right wing rhetoric is sufficient to get advertisements pulled, people cancelled, and leave actors or other entertainers blackballed out of the industry. Left wing incitement and victim blaming doesn’t have the same effect. Kimmel basically victim-blamed the right. His “punishment” was a week of leave and a ton of media attention and the full support of the rest of Hollywood. Places like Bluesky are not losing advertisers, there are no calls for Facebook, Threads, TikTok, Bluesky, or Reddit to remove posts that victim blame or celebrate the Kirk assassination. Radical left podcasts are still widely available, and to my knowledge none of them carry a content warning.

Kimmel basically victim-blamed the right. His “punishment” was a week of leave and a ton of media attention and the full support of the rest of Hollywood.

There was an organic campaign to cancel Kimmel that would probably have succeeded (not least because Sinclair would have dropped him even without administration pressure). It failed because Trump ran his mouth in a way which made it an undeniable 1st amendment issue.

I think there is a bunch of magic stuff about 'liberalism'

  1. we settle our differences at the ballot box. instead of killing each other we have a vote and then decide on how we are governed
  2. even if we disagree with each other we can still trade with each other and be better off!

i feel like we are have been losing 2) for a long time and i guess eventually if we start losing a lot of the benefit from 2) then we might start losing 1)

A critical third leg of Liberalism is contractualism. There must be a set of rules that limit those with great amounts of power, such that the common people have some inalienable cloister to retreat to. Neither Assad's Syria or Somalia in the 2010's were liberal states because you had to live under the constant threat that some powerful psycho would ruin your life on a whim with no reprisal.

This leg is probably the most collapsed of the three, and generally three begets two begets one.

the collapse of contractualism

This is, fundamentally, what 1980s media was trying to warn us about with the whole corpo-state meme. They didn't call it that, but they were all gesturing at the problem the "1A only protects you from government" meme would result in today, though they couldn't fully predict the eventual extent of the power of the semi-private (or plausibly private) actor.

We failed to solve the problem then- we expected our infinite material greed to do that for us, and in our defense that solves a lot of problems- and now the capture has set in and it's come home to roost.

I'm curious as to what specific media you are referencing. From my own small, myopic perch, 80's media seems to be all over the place in terms of future predictions, with the major constants being:

  1. They like to make media about the future in the first place, and
  2. They foresaw an increased ingression of corporate presence in a person's daily life

The latter was almost certainly because they themselves were living through a period of rapid corporate expansion into the personal domain that probably seemed like an endless march. That said though, I'm not super well versed in 80's media, and what little I have seen or read has moral lessons and warnings all over the spectrum.

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