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Culture War Roundup for the week of October 20, 2025

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I think we can define what a woman is.

Can you really? Because I don't think you can, or rather, what you define as 'woman' is wrong.

A woman is 'one whose social role is to be the bottom in the relationship', as contrasted to men which are the designated tops. This was true up until the early 20th century, though early efforts to limit bottoming to women have existed since roughly 1000 BC (that's what the 'you must only fuck XX chromosome-havers' Abramic law does).

There are some valid reasons to do this; if you force this kind of bottoming on future designated tops (as opposed to sexually mature women only, where the technology to make this state of affairs untenable would come about around 1900 or so) they won't necessarily work properly after that. And you need your future tops willing to die to maintain your society, so if you make it so they won't, then enemy men eventually come and fuck you. So we'd expect cultures with that meme to dominate.

Now, you'll probably complain, and argue that a woman actually means 'XX chromosome-havers', but you'll need to explain to me why that state had to be imposed rather than the default state of nature for human beings. You'll also note that my definition covers all edge cases [including the men who act as women anyway, or fags for short] while you're forced by angry women/bottoms to equivocate about chromosomal abnormalities and pregnancy.

future designated tops

I see that your pure and elegant category immediately starts getting caveats. This is because the category is bad.

Are you sure you aren’t just working through some mommy issues?

A woman is 'one whose social role is to be the bottom in the relationship', as contrasted to men which are the designated tops. This was true up until the early 20th century, though early efforts to limit bottoming to women have existed since roughly 1000 BC (that's what the 'you must only fuck XX chromosome-havers' Abramic law does).

The meaning of the words conventionally translated as "woman" (primarily gyne) in ancient Greece did not include teenage boys. The universe of socially acceptable sexual bottoms did. The Romans were closer to your model, admittedly.

This is the John Mearheimer offensive- realism theory of gender. Just as that theory can describe Ukraine / Russia but fail to describe relations between Switzerland / Germany, your understanding I assume rejects all equal partnerships between two people? I do not think this is a useful way of thinking on relations between people.

I find that while your definition (and other your theories on gender and sex) might seem intuitive and elegant to you, it also appears to only be useful to you, or at least to have little use beyond a certain kind of elegance. It's like I'm looking at someone trying to code golf gender and sex relations.

The former not so much, the latter you're spot on. Definitions are motte-and-baileys of their own, to be used and discarded like weapons, as necessary. e.g. I say what I like and judge everything based on what's useful to me, words are not useful as tools of mutual understanding but more useful for signaling allies and allegiances.

We just last week had a lengthy argument in this place over the definition of "Nazi", the definition of which is self-evident to normies. It's a boo-light for political ideologies people don't like, not a meaningful description in any sense the way it's used.

I've never mentioned chromosomes. Imposed by the state? You're thinking boils down to me to be the motherfuckers and the motherfucked, don't bother getting male and female involved.

My only point is that only the sex (noun) of the person you have sex (verb) with can determine whether one is gay. The word gay I, and I think most other people, define as synonymous with homosexual. Maybe you and others are getting on baggage with word gay, to me its neutral.

You're thinking boils down to me to be the motherfuckers and the motherfucked, don't bother getting male and female involved.

Yes. There's really no other reason to do otherwise.

You can only talk about the third category, those beyond that dichotomy, if this foundation exists.

Pretending that top-gays and bottom-gays are the same actively confuses the issue, but we've been pretending top-straights and bottom-straights are the same orientation for a while now so it's only natural we'd use that language/model for everyone else too.

As for "but most other people use these categories", well, most people do what I've described instinctually [whatever they are] and most of the other definitions are intellectual navel-gazing. They don't need to think about it, they just do it.

bottom-straights

Ahah, could you elaborate on the characteristic of this supposed demographic, so people outside of yourself could derive meaning from this term?

The top/bottom dichotomy is often generalized to describe demeanors rather than just sex acts at which point it becomes synonymous with dom/sub. Most bottom straights are women and most bottom tops are men but some women, dommy mommies as they might be referred to, are flocked to by males who crave the oblivion of submission.

The overwhelming amount of time this is just 'women' (as in, what someone from the 1800s would recognize as one).

Men can be this as well, but they generally need to find the rare [female] compatible with that state or the relationships break due to orientation mismatch.

And, like, what would distinguish a straight man as a bottom?

For clarity, is the male portion of this category as broad as anyone who like to bottom for people of the opposite gender, anyone who wants to bottom for people of the opposite sex, men who want to bottom for anyone with breasts, or just specifically men who like to get pegged by women?

Can you really? Because I don't think you can, or rather, what you define as 'woman' is wrong.

A woman is 'one whose social role is to be the bottom in the relationship', as contrasted to men which are the designated tops.

I'm sorry... and you're telling him he's the one with the wrong definition of 'woman'?

Now, you'll probably complain, and argue that a woman actually means 'XX chromosome-havers', but you'll need to explain to me why that state had to be imposed rather than the default state of nature for human beings.

I think I can just say "no, it didn't".

I think I can just say "no, it didn't".

if it didn't you wouldn't need a law telling people not to do it

A woman breaking the "no dick-riding" law (or would that be a "no pegging" law?) is still a woman, she's just a woman who's breaking the law.

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