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Do I? I'm starting to wonder. Was that remark about hoping for an economic crash so women (and it wasn't specifying any particular set of women, rather all women which would include the likes of me) will be forced to choose between destitution (yes, that was the exact word) or 'making concessions to good men' - was that remark 'ha ha only joking', in which case it too should have earned the sarcasm penalty, or was it meant in all seriousness?
Because we've lived the days of "sex for meat" and that's the damn reason feminism came into being in the first place. Hoping to exploit the misery of others is not what I thought The Motte was about. How about if someone cheered on the idea of AI putting all the guys on here out of work, so that they will have to bend the knee to employers and scrabble for former white collar jobs with the cheap imported labour, which drives down salaries and workplace conidiations? Suppose I reacted to someone talking about their fears for their late career with "serves you right, you had it too good all along, now you will have to agree with whatever an employer demands of you if you want any kind of job"?
I don't think that wishing misfortune on men would go down well here. I don't want men to suffer. But yes, if we are turning into "women are all bitches and should be literally at the foot of a man, any man, and don't dare refuse sex at all for any reason, don't dare have opinions and views of their own, don't dare be anything but the fantasy Stepford wife", then I really don't know what it is all about.
You guys surely have mothers. Are you really going to say to them "Mom, you shouldn't have gone past high school and you should be glad Dad isn't fucking a 20 year old on the side because you need to appreciate that a man is willing to lead and rule you, you useless eater"?
I mean, I suspect my life might have gone a bit better had Mum not been able to divorce Dad, get full custody, and then beat me with a metal spoon, pour hot potatoes on me, and starve me without oversight*. Admittedly, Dad didn't use all the leverage he did have (on like twenty occasions she called him up saying "come and pick up [m9m], I don't want him anymore", and if he'd called her bluff my understanding is that she'd have had no recourse), and that's on him, but I don't think he understood exactly how bad things were (I, after all, didn't exactly have context for exactly how far out of line she was, and she'd mostly-convinced me I deserved it with her various misandrist rants**); had he been in the house, I think some more alarm bells would have gone off.
Now, I certainly wouldn't call Mum a "useless eater" - she met Dad through their jobs, and her job wasn't negative-sum activism - and Not All Women Are Like That, but I'm not sure she's the example you want to be using here. (More generally, you will find that bringing up the personal lives of X-ists is often going to blow up in your face; X-ists are X-ist for a reason and that reason frequently is "their personal lives legitimately behave as X-ism predicts".)
*The one time the police showed up, I was the one who got an hour-long lecture about how I was going to grow up into a wife-beater, although it's hard for me to blame them given that she wouldn't have shown a single sign of guilt - she was and is utterly convinced she was in the right - and due to how far she'd managed to twist me around I did.
**I specifically remember her teaching me that the Y chromosome was a genetic defect.
And she was wrong, and cruel, and abusive.
But there's a particularly horrible case right now in Ireland, where a stepmother murdered the four year old stepson. While the father of the child was living in the house and did, apparently, fuck-all about his partner beating and starving the kid.
I'm furious about that, because what the hell? The social services certainly failed the child, she was a murderous bitch who has properly been convicted, but what the hell was this man doing? "Oh I don't want to make a fuss because she'll just blow up at me?" or even worse "So long as I get laid regularly, I don't care". He got jailed last year but for the love of God, what was going on in that home?
Yeah. I'm not happy reading the news today.
It's rare to see the spear counterpart of "he was fucking the stepdaughter for years- so long as he keeps paying my bills, she didn't care", but it clearly does happen. Stepmother vs. son is typically a murder thing, permitted by the father, since the son is [or will be] a drain on the resources that the father pays the stepmother to stick around.
By contrast, stepfather vs. daughter is typically a rape thing, permitted by the mother, since the mother pays the stepfather in sex to stick around.
Of course, the mother seldom goes to jail in those latter cases because sexism, but still.
Yeah, but it was a four year old kid. Dad broke up with biological mom and got charge of the child because the mother had mental health issues. Then he takes up with this bitch and seems to have passively let her beat his child to death over a prolonged period. That's what I don't understand. He saw the child black and blue with bruises. He made up excuses (or maybe just pretended to believe her excuses) about 'he ran into a door, he fell, he's clumsy'. Every day he went off to work and came back home, and the child was being hit, isolated, refused food and treats, kept apart from family visitors, and clearly the stepmother hated the kid, and he did - nothing.
For all the talk on here about men wanting their own biological children and wanting sons to carry on the name and heritage, that didn't seem to hold true here.
His existing child was actively hindering his father's ability to do this. My assertion is that he believed that the stepmother was so much a better fit that if her price to have [a greater number of] biological children with her was "kill your son so I [and her children] have more resources", it would be granted her.
From the father's perspective his son simply died from exposure.
Apes kill rival children all the time; this is just the girlboss version of that. The only shield they have is the cuteness factor, and that doesn't work as well when it's either not your kid, or if you're unwilling to resist the ape urge telling you it's that kid or yours.
I'm going to stick with "he didn't believe she'd go that far because people in general don't believe their partner could actually kill a child, let alone calculate in their primal math brain that they must let them kill the child for greater reproductive profits".
Women are making the same calculus with their daughters when they let stepfathers fuck them: "if I don't whore them out, he'll get bored and leave". I have no reason to believe that men can't make a similar decision with their same-gender offspring too.
I don't think there's any other calculation going on besides maybe an over-exaggerated fear of having to find someone else. I also don't think this is something that happens consciously given that "battered housewife" can even be a stereotype in the first place.
You're phrasing that like you're basing the former statement on more information than the latter, which I haven't yet seen you demonstrate.
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But there doesn't seem to have been any pregnancy with the stepmother. if she had been pregnant/had a new baby of her own, it would make grotesque sense, but she has no children and Dad doesn't seem to have been trying for a baby with her. It's hard to know, since a lot of details haven't been revealed, but there was no replacement child in the picture.
This was his only child, and a son, and he just shrugged off the lunatic he was shacked up with abusing him to death.
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While I assume it wouldn't be a favorable option from your point of view as you'd prefer to be alive, it sounds like the best case overall would be that someone like your mother was able to divorce - and ideally not married at all - before she had children. Some people are for the nunnery.
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Very neatly put, I might borrow that. I’m sorry to hear your early life was so awful.
Honestly, for most of my childhood, she wasn't really awful; she always had a violent temper, but there were only about 3 years of my home life being truly hell (from when I hit puberty and her misandry started applying to me personally, to when I ran away from her).
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I'm sure this rates as a 'hot dog' in your suffragettist tea parties, sweetheart, but you should really take a pep pill and cool off your overheating uterus. Nothing to fear, darling. Your position won't be diminished by your absence. A good-thinking man will be found to argue for your intellectual position who can voice it properly with manner and decorum and a minimum of hysteria.
I modded her for sarcasm. That doesn't give you a pass to be just as sarcastic and patronizing back.
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Paging @BurdensomeCount
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I'm not going to SAY it to her.
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If someone did that, then I think that instead of getting pissed inarticulately, the people would point out that according to all trends, AI is going to replace cheap imported labor in white collar jobs before it replaces the productive white mottizen, and at any rate there's going to be blue collar work left.
You could learn from resident fedposters and just go straight to "try that with me and I'll poison you in your sleep" instead of spending 10 posts on sarcasm.
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