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Culture War Roundup for the week of December 15, 2025

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Everyone is out over their skis on the Jewish professor. You shared no evidence that it was a political murder, and not personal or a robbery of some sort, and I haven’t seen any elsewhere yet. Happy to be proven wrong, but let’s hold ourselves to higher standards here.

You’re lucky I didn’t post my 40 page schizo ramble about Rob Reiner’s death. But anyway, If you sit around and wait for “respectable media outlets” to tell your what’s going on, you’ll never get anywhere.

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It’s indeed been a busy week when I forgot to mention this one in that other comment in this thread.

  1. His and his wife’s throats being cut does not seem consistent with the type of crime it allegedly is. Half-out-of-their-minds meth junkies committing a family annihilation crime of passion during a domestic disturbance aren’t usually that precise. 70 stab wounds a piece I would buy, but not throat-cutting.
  2. The police and the media (People magazine specifically) announced that the son did it way too fast. People Magazine would be gambling with a libel lawsuit in any other circumstance. I have never seen the suspect of a murder announced that fast, especially not for a case involving a celebrity.
  3. The fact that the daughter’s first instinct was to call a neighbor (Billy Crystal), rather than the police. The fact that the daughter immediately told the police that her brother probably did it, White House Farm style.
  4. Trump’s weird and kind of disturbing post about the murders.

It seems fishy to me.

The precision does not bother me. Trump’s deranged post is typical for him. I will admit however that People Magazine was shockingly quick, in a way I have never seen before, to blame the son. Do you have any theory that explains these peculiarities?

Trump’s deranged post is typical for him

Honestly I felt it was one of the biggest crossing of the lines of decorum from him.

Do you think you would have thought this were it not for the reaction to Charlie Kirk criticisers on the left? I think this one is in no worse taste than many other things Trump has said in terms of decorum. However it's a notable and stark political error, coming soon after many MAGA voices have been claiming that it is only the left that acts gleeful about murder.

I mean I agree a lot of people crossed the line on Kirk but essentially nobody in actual leadership and it was more 'being inadequately deferential' than 'actively doing the macarena on his grave' from people with reasonable positions of leadership. Then the POTUS essentially rants with his whole chest a massive diatribe on the victim of inter-family mass murder

Depends on what you mean by leadership