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Sigh. Yes. Come on, you're just trying to be provocative and you knew you were going to get reported.
It's not the sarcasm that's the problem. It's that you (and I mean you specifically) can make an intelligent and cogent argument for why this is bad behavior that should be discouraged. And you can even be (a little) snarky about it. But when you layer on the "gosh gee whiz"s and straw men obviously directed at the person you are responding to, of course you're dialing up the antagonism in a way that doesn't actually lead to productive engagement. You're just trying to say "You're a shitty human being unworthy of a respectful reply" without using those words.
The "big yikes not a good look chief" millennial slop has ruined online discourse because it feels so good to get off those snide, snarky little burns but it absolutely destroys any hope of good faith dialog. Do you want to talk to people and maybe enlist their sympathy and get them to see your side of things, or do you just want to score little zingers?
The sarcasm is to prevent me going nuclear with abusive language. "So, okay, just shut up, you don't need to comment on this".
Yeah, that would work - if we didn't have guys posting about 13 year old girls in this fashion. I used to be a 13 year old girl. I can't be coolly objective and removed when it comes to stuff like this, because God Almighty if we can't even preserve some few rags of compassion towards children, what the hell are we doing even trying to keep this society going? Let it burn down. Let the TFR crater. Nothing is going to be missed.
Then be nuclear with abusive language and do eat ban. At least you will have made your point clearly for once.
Remember that the next time Amadan bans me, Southkraut. If I go down, I'm taking you with me! 🤣
I don't want to ban you.
But if the Jews on the Motte can cope with all the Joo-posters saying "The Holocaust didn't happen and it's good that it did," you can cope with some misogyny without losing it every time.
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Honestly I'd prefer if you just adopted some more sang-froid, didn't treat this place as a twitter/discord/reddit meme-and-karma pit, and consequently don't get banned.
I mean, I too have my buttons and step out of line when they get pushed. Nobody here is an automaton (I hope). But this whole place works to any good only when people try their damndest not to chimp out, do get slapped when they do, and the largest part of our business gets done with some actual charity. Skirting the rules to fly as close to shit-flinging monkeydom as possible but just short of getting banned is just plain not productive.
You can make reasonable posts. You sometimes do. But eyeballing it, at least half of your output is antagonistic. And that part is worse than useless. Would it kill you to give us more of the other part? The one where you bring in views that are rare on the Motte, and don't make it a snarking contest?
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You may as well post animal porn and go out in a blaze of glory, because your complete inability to refrain from embarrassing emotional outbursts every time a post rubs you the wrong way means you're doomed regardless.
I liked the guy calling me "middle-aged". Oh no, I've lived past early adulthood, how embarrassing! We all know women should die the minute they're not hot by male standards, which seems to be "over 13 because fake porn of 13 year old girls is hot and normal".
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You mean girl children, right? Because compassion towards boy children is notably absent, and contempt is its substitute.
No, I mean everyone. I think those boys would be the better of a few slaps on the legs from their parents, but that is for their good, not because they had the temerity to offend against a female.
I don't think it's good for boy children that we seemingly are to expect that at the age of 13 they will already develop a porn habit, which is right, normal and good.
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In this case the boy children in question did something very bad.
But in the general case it holds up. I cannot imagine this level of outrage if a boy were being bullied (or suffering equivalent psychic damage) by girls. Ultimately girls get compassion and boys get told to man up and/or shut up - I am honestly surprised they expelled the girl in this case and I wonder if it has anything to do with
if she organised a group beating. Which, on reading, she did:
If the genders were reversed, the boy doing the beating would get a lot worse than a temporary expulsion.
Well duh, 'you can just harass our daughters who did nothing wrong and followed the respectability rules in place in our society' resembles no historical society that has ever existed. Including in very patriarchal ones; what do you think the Taliban would have done to these boys?
There is a reason that, despite being skeptical of things like the 19th amendment, women's financial independence, women in pants, etc, I do not align myself with the faction on the motte which spits out spicy takes on women and then retreats to 'but but double standard! Boys just have to take it!' yeah, they do. Aside from the politically correct but very obvious fact that the statement 'men and boys are stronger than women and girls' does not need qualification(it applies psychologically as well as physically), you, uh, know what women do when they spend their girlhood being bullied and harassed by whatever boys want to do so? It generally looks like radical feminism; the breakdown in family formation in Latin America precedes the hyper-woke feminist wave in the region(and also the area's drop in TFR- these women appear to have retained conservative family values longer than their menfolk). Getting outraged about girls being abused and harassed with no recourse, far more outraged than in the case of boys, is a normal and healthy thing to do.
Yes, if a group of older girls doctored innocuous photos of a thirteen year old boy to be NSFW and started sharing them, this would be a bad thing and deserve to be punished. I am confident that you will not be able to find an example of this happening(you will, of course, be able to find examples of teenaged boys voluntarily sending NSFW content of themselves to young ladies who don't particularly want to receive any). The asymmetry of the sexes goes both ways. You can call be patronizing, but I'm not wrong.
A group of girls in my high school were literally sharing real pictures of me nude as a child, family photos taken by my parents when I was in preschool, laughing while making lewd comments about my penis every time they saw me. They were never punished for it, nor were the pictures confiscated by teachers or other adults outside school. I was told to just ignore their harassment. "Sticks and stones will break my bones, but words [pictures] will never hurt me." I can only imagine things have gotten worse now that digital images makes sharing so much easier.
Girls become sexually aware much earlier than boys, while they are still on-par with or even stronger than the boys, and sexually harass them mercilessly until the boys reach puberty and the trend reverses. The vast majority of men and boys who sexually assault/harass women were themselves victimized as children. Maybe if we took a little care for protecting them when they were vulnerable, they wouldn't lash out later in life. Maybe, if we taught them by our protective actions of them that such behavior is wrong, they would believe us. But no, we instead simply say "It's different" when women and girls do it to boys, tell them to treat women the same as men, and wonder why such victimized boys don't give a shit about victimizing girls in turn.
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I think I should state a clear position rather than just responding.
Fairness, and broad equality of burdens, is important to me. This means I'm somewhat happy to go with any one of:
To my mind we live in a society that nominally believes in equality (1) but rewards womens' hurt feelings with all possible aid plus harsh coercion/punishment for men, and rewards the difficulties of men or even physical violence towards them with contempt. What makes me very angry is when traditionalists, on the Motte or elsewhere, shrug and say, 'well, we might advocate for (2) or (3) but in the current political climate, all we can do is make sure that men hold up their side of the bargain and women will have to do their own". In practice this means that traditionalists will happily pile onto men with the rest of society, and then make awkward faces and back off whenever women do something that these traditionalists are supposed to be against. Self-declared traditionalists become indistinguishable from the most sadistic of man-hating feminists.
By contrast, I and at least some of the 'double-standard' Mottizens advocate for (2) or (3) but acknowledge that for now we are supposed to be living in (1) and demand to be treated fairly by that standard.
To return to the object at hand, I am quite happy with punishing the boy for bad behaviour, just not giving them a violent beating. Likewise, I think the girl should be punished for instigating a violent beating for a boy who had not actually physically harmed her and also "punching and stomping" them. Likewise, since I believe men and women are different (2) I doubt that you will find this exact scenario reversed but there are plenty of cases where girls gleefully ruin a boy's reputation and make him miserable for fun and I think that they should be punished just like the boy in this scenario.
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If I (and I mean me specifically) am unable to make intelligent and cogent arguments, will that be seen as a mitigating circumstance when moderating my comments?
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