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Are you hardcore no-fap? Not that I think the dissemination and whatever other social stuff around this is outstanding, but obtaining nudes of cute girls in your high school would have been considered a high accomplishment for high school boys as long as high school and photos have existed.
Like with all porn the AI nudes are a little queer. Its much higher status and much better behavior to seduce her in real life, but some edits to an already existing thirst-trap image is hardly something you should let your son be beat over. I'd suggest the more appropriate action is the girl is removed from any ability to be online and the boy has to agree to supervised courtship if the girl's father so demands.
I am not, nor ever were, no-fap. I jerked off a lot in my school days. If high school boys today can't fap without having as a visual aid a picture of their classmate's tits, the microplastics situation must be much worse than I thought.
Any high schooler who feels the need to jerk off has plenty of options. He can just fantasize about having sex with a fictional woman. Or a celebrity. While I would not recommend fantasizing about people in your personal life, thoughts are free.
If he wants visual aid, there is this thing called the 'internet'. From the softest softcore to all kinds of kinks and depravities, the net provides enough so that they can jerk off continuously to their favorite genre until they literally die of old age.
Or he can try to use his phone and flirt with a classmate and get her to send them some nudes, nothing wrong with that (unless he shares the photos with his buddies).
But then again, I do not really get the bro culture. As a straight guy, I have never had much inclination to talk about my sexuality with other men. Turning sex into a pure status competition between buddies is utterly alien to me. Sexting with some girl purely so you can betray her and gain status with other guys when you share her pics feels somewhat sociopathic, but technically is some achievement which might impress some people, just like a school shooter making double digits.
Even then, feeding the picture of your victim into an AI undresser is utterly pathetic. I honestly can not even imagine what kind of people would be impressed by that.
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That at least requires the boy to make some effort at seducing the girl into sending him nudes of her. This was an idiot using AI to paste her features onto a nude photo, and hand it around claiming it was of her, so the other idiot boys could laugh at it and mock her. She's 13, she did not consent to any of this.
God's sake, we have enough posters on here criticising women for riding the cock carousel, sleeping with Chads, wanting to cuckold the betas who simp for them with alphas, and the rest of the poisonous discourse. Do you really think nude images of a 13 year old girl are anything but "bitch whore, even at that young they're at it" material? Do you think the teenage boys are being respectful and admiring of empowered sexual equality here?
This is why porn is dangerous; it creates such expectations in society, then normalises them, so 13 year old boys are now faking nudes of 13 year old girls for sexual gratification. And not a stranger or any random 13 year old, someone they know. Someone who will get the reputation among her peers of being easy, a whore, all the negatives that the "coerce women to have sex with men they don't want" posters on here like to throw at women. Creating expectations that she'll agree to sexual activity of some kind with random boys, because hey I've already seen your nudes.
We already saw this shit in the Loudon County case of the girl sexually assaulted by the trans girl/boy in the school bathroom: oh, they used to sneak off to the bathroom and fool around before, so this time so what if she changed her mind and he tried to/did rape her? She agreed by being intimate with him in previous situations, so really it's all her fault.
And this child didn't even agree to any of this, and they are not real images of her, but she is going to get the blame all the same.
I agree! The problem is porn. The problem does not lie with 13 year old boys using the tools provided to them to get quality fapping in.
Yeah, if 13 year olds are routinely using porn, and this is their introduction to relationships between the sexes, and if normies are getting concerned about choking (they're picking this up from porn as the expected thing to do during sex and that women want it, and girls are picking it up that they should be doing this), then something has gone sideways in our society.
Even that 13 year olds are now going to have sexual lives. Yeah, puberty happens, yeah masturbation happens. But that "okay, now you're old enough to get an erection, this is your welcome to adulthood and sex, of course you're going to develop a 'fapping style'", is something that does make me uncomfortable and does mark me out as a dinosaur. We're at the nadir where simultaneously we must not hold 25 year olds responsible for choices since their brains are not fully developed, but we're marketing sex to 13 year olds because that's old and mature enough to jump right in to full sexual activity.
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Did you read the story? It was not a thirst trap, it was AI generated. She did not consent to this. If a girl sends nudes to a guy and he starts spreading them around, he's a jerk, but she made her own bed and she has to lie in it. With AI you can make convincing edits of literally anyone. Any picture of your face can be swapped onto a fake body. Any full body image of you can be nudified with realistic seeming body proportions. Even if you've never been online a day in your life a school photo in the yearbook or even just a quick cellphone pic someone takes of you without your knowledge or consent, and there you go.
This isn't sluts getting slut-shamed: as far as we know this is a completely innocent and pure 13 year old girl who was victimized through absolutely no fault of her own. Her only crime was existing as a 13 year old girl, and the only thing she possibly could have done to avoid this is to live in a bubble where nobody can see her face, or disfigure herself so horribly that nobody would want AI nudes with her deformed face on them. We're talking beyond Islamic levels of repression, since even a burka would reveal enough of her face to enable this.
The story is they took pictures already existing and nudified them. I highly doubt they were pictures of her wearing a burka. The point is not that their behavior was good, just that it is expected of teenage boys. Allowing some girls father to beat up your son because he did a thing that father would have done to your sister if the tech existed in the 90s is an absolutely stupid reaction.
What this argument looks like is something like "we shouldn't punish kids for doing dumb cruel kid shit because when we were kids, we were doing dumb cruel kid shit too".
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The pictures could have been literally anything. Are you not aware of how powerful AI has become? I use the Burka as an example not because I think she was wearing one, but because that's all that would be needed. Boy gets picture of girl's face in literally any photo that contains her face, boy gets nude picture of literally anyone else that has nude photos, boy tells AI "put this girls face on that body". Boom, a "nudified" photo. It's not authentic, it's not her real body, but the AI's good enough to make it realistic enough that the boys can look at it and giggle and masturbate to it and tease her about it, and horrify her or anyone who cares about her if they saw it.
Or skip the second photo, just tell the AI "nudify this picture" and it uses the body contour lines and imagines a naked body of an underage girl with approximately the same size and pose embedded into the photo. Again, literally any photo containing her face, and I guess enough of a body (in any amount of clothing) that there's a spot to put the imaginary naked body.
I expect teenage boys to not care about the "authenticity" of a 90% exposed bikini-clad body in order for their nudification to count. I expect teenage boys to not need a thirst trap of a girl in order to get horny enough to want to see her nude. I expect teenage boys to just get horny. I expect teenage boys to see literally any girl and want to see her naked, even if she's ugly, if only out of curiosity. For all we know they could have gone "uggh, Jenny is such a prude, she never shows any cleavage and she always looks scornfully at us whenever we talk about girl's tits. We should make a nude picture out of her, wouldn't that be funny? Hah, and then make fun of her about it, she'd get so mad. Trololol."
I expect teenage boys to get horny, and to learn to control it and not victimize other people in the process. If one boy had, on his own, in private, asked an AI to generate a nude of her and then he masturbated to it and never told anyone, I would have no problem with that. Yes, it probably counts as child pornography in a technical and/or legal sense, but if she wasn't actually involved in the creation of it and she never finds out about it then nobody would be harmed by its existence. Heck, if every single boy at her school entirely on their own initiative had AI generate a nude of her and masturbated to it in private and never told anyone about it and nobody ever found out, this would still be fine. The problem is the social dynamic, the sharing, the teasing, the humiliation. Shame is a valuable tool that society can wield in order to disincentivize anti-social behaviors that the law either can't or shouldn't get involved in. Slut shaming is a valuable tool that society used to use in order to disincentivize slutty behavior. This breaks down when it isn't being wielded against sluts, but against anyone for any reason. This is the same as the wife that gets mad at her husband because she had a dream that he cheated on her. It's a dream, it's not real. I don't think we should send people to prison for AI-faked videos of them stealing, I don't think we should scorn people for AI-faked videos of them saying horrible things, and I don't think we should shame people for AI-faked nudes of them. And because the human brain is wired in certain ways I think that sharing faked nudes of someone is inevitably going to lead to shame and humiliation of the same type as sharing real ones, even if not quite at the same level of magnitude. And that's wrong to inflict on someone who hasn't earned it.
On the contrary, when someone does do something wrong, punishments help correct their behavior so they don't do it again. Someone who incorrectly inflicts this humiliation on an innocent person, needs to be punished in order to correct their behavior. A healthy young man should enjoy his sexuality in a way that doesn't victimize people. Beating the crap out of these boys would help them learn that lesson and become better men.
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This here is the big, giant, difference between male and female attitudes to sex. Guys are all "what's the big deal over some nudes, hey if someone was showing hot nudes of me around I wouldn't care, it's a compliment" and so on. There just is not the same feeling of violation. I see the same thing with regard to stories of boys being sexually abused by older women: "what's the big deal? hey if some hot teacher wanted to fuck me when I was 14 I would have been delighted! it's free sex! this is great!"
And this is part of the entire problem around 'nobody is dating/having sex/getting married'. Why don't women date men? Well, because they don't want to date the 100s of guys who message them. But why don't they? Because women can do without sex more than men, seemingly, can do without it. When women do engage in sex with the same lack of emotional attachment as men, then they get criticised for being whores. Men want sex because of higher libido, and will be happy to just fuck anyone reasonably acceptable, and so can't understand why women would be upset about such images. "But it's not really you, so what does it matter?"
It matters because you'll be the same guy posting on here about women needing to be controlled by their fathers and husbands, because giving women free exercise of choice in romance and sex means they just scatter nudes of themselves around to any stranger who wants them, look at this case of a 13 year old girl sending nudes to her boyfriend without any self-respect or modesty, she'll be sleeping around if not stopped in time.
Are they normally the same people? It seems to be in this case, but that's what's confusing me. Because normally I think it's the "hypocrisy" of different people who believe similar things for opposite reasons.
The liberal, sex positive, man says "no big deal, free sex is great, everyone likes sluts". The conservative, sex negative, man says "women shouldn't sleep around, nobody likes a slut". In most cases of a woman fucking around and finding out, both say "stop complaining, you did this to yourself." If you just read a bunch of comments by people criticizing slutty women you might think they're massive hypocrites, but if half the people believe on thing and half believe the other and they're literally different people then each one can have an entirely consistent worldview internally and just present a united front on this one particular issue. This happens all the time on different issues. I constantly see people who have superficially similar external opinions to me with stupid garbage reasoning underlying them.
But it seems to me like in the AI case that shouldn't happen, and the various sides should strongly disagree, because the woman didn't do this to herself so the conservative wouldn't assign any blame. Any assertions that this could be fixed by a man (father or husband) controlling her and her deferring to his authority make absolutely no sense because that wouldn't have stopped this either. If you think women sharing nudes is bad and want to disincentivize the behavior then it makes no sense to punish someone who didn't engage in this behavior with the same treatment as someone who did. That's not how incentives work.
It's exactly the sort of thoughtless pattern matching I would expect to see from a normie who just parrots party lines, not here on the Motte.
I will press that compliment to my bosom and shed tears of joy upon it. I'm a normie! For the first time in my life, I'm one of the vast mass of ordinary people with ordinary opinions!
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I mean, I wouldn't be happy if nude pictures of me were being widely disseminated.
No more would I, but apparently (1) if there's no legal harm, what harm? and (2) you only say that because you're a woman and you want women to be treated as Wonderful and deprive men and boys of their natural right to masturbate over pictures of naked women.
At least, that's what I'm being scolded for on here, I think?
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The recipients wouldn't be happy if nude pictures of me were being widely disseminated. Ugly privilege!
I have indeed seen photos where my reaction is "put more clothes on!"
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