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Culture War Roundup for the week of January 19, 2026

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Could some American enlighten me about this obsession with Europe's demographic replacement when US white population is dropping off the cliff even faster? VP with pajeet wife? Not to mention the diversity and multicultural shit has always been product of US intellectuals first and foremost.

I think big reason is that majority of US immigration is of hispanic origin. They are mostly catholic and traditional, which makes them assimilate rather quick. Look at American politicians and their last names - Rubio, DeSantis, Cruz, Padilla. 1-2 generations and grandkid of Juan Carlos from Mexico works for ICE, deporting illegals without second thought. Now look at Europe, it's a complete 180. Americans see immigrants in Europe the same way they see Somalis in Minnesota.

Europe is way further on this road than US, and Americans who worry about it are worrying that what already happened to Europe will happen to America too. It's not even about demographic replacement per se - as a genetic makeup - people who worry that Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio are not "white" are deep fringe - but a cultural shift. In Europe, being a national patriot, relating in any way to traditional European culture and values is passé and very suspect. In the US it is the case too, but in much narrower context, not society wide. Basically, in the US there's still red tribe and blue tribe, the Europe is mostly just various shades of blue tribe. Of course red tribers are worried it will happen to them too, since their cultural values are the same values that used to exist in Europe and are now mostly extinguished.

Europe totally has a red tribe, it's just far more marginalized than the US one.

This is the problem with discussing large-scale trends - whatever statement you make, there's always "well, akshually" about it. Yes, there are red-tribers in Europe, technically speaking. But they are mostly powerless, feckless and nowhere nearly at the level of influence that red tribers in the US have.

Could some American enlighten me about this obsession with Europe's demographic replacement

As is often the case, I find myself pointing to Noah Smith's read on the situation:

The U.S. as a whole was never racially homogeneous. Black people were always there, and they never dipped below 10% of the population. Americans in the North had frequent contact with Native American populations. California and Texas had Hispanics before they had Anglos. But in the American mind, Europe stood across the sea as a place of timeless homogeneity, where the native white population had always been and would always remain. In the 20th century, as American consciousness of ethnic differences between Poles, Italians, Germans etc. faded, perceptions of Europe as homogeneously “white” grew stronger.

In the mind of many Americans, Europe thus stood as both a refuge and a reservoir. America itself was a rough, contested frontier, but Europe would always be white and Christian. If you ever felt the need to live around a bunch of white people of Christian heritage, you could always go “back”, but for most that wasn’t necessary — just knowing that the Old World was somewhere out there was enough.

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Anyway, in the 2010s, it dawned on those Americans that this hallowed image of Europe was no longer accurate. With their working population dwindling, European countries took in millions of Muslim refugees and other immigrants from the Middle East and Central and South Asia — many of whom didn’t assimilate nearly as well as their peers in the U.S. You’d hear people say things like “Paris isn’t Paris anymore.”

California and Texas had Hispanics before they had Anglos.

This is one of those oft-repeated claims that is really tenuous at best: the number of Mexicans living in all of Texas (with drastically larger borders than the current state) in 1824 was under 8000, and likely much smaller than the number of Native Americans in the region at the time. The Spanish (and then Mexican) claims on the region were pretty sparse to begin with, which is part of why they were so interested in importing settlers under their flag. That the Anglos would eventually push for independence is a more complicated story (yes slavery, but also yes Mexican imperialism) for another post.

We don't talk about how Nebraska and Oklahoma were French before they were Anglo because despite being ceded in the Louisiana Purchase, actual French influence on the ground there was quite limited, unlike, say, New Orleans.

To be even more fair, Mexican-Texans who trace their ancestry to pre-Texas independence settlement are a recognizable social group in current day Texas which is politically important and regionally predominant enough to be visible far in proportion to their actual numbers. That's what 'tejano' actually means.

It's a Noah Smith quote, you should assume he's making up the history (and most of the other factoids) as he goes along.

Additionally, the entire Mexican population of the territories ceded to the US after the Mexican-American War (i.e. California and most of the modern Southwest and Mountain West) was only about 100,000. They were offered US Citizenship under the terms of the treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, and roughly 80,000 of them took the opportunity.

Latin American America will resemble America a lot more than Muslim Europe will resemble Europe. Like, a fucking lot more.

So basically a shithole vs an even worse shithole? I guess I can understand.

Yeah I'll take a beer-and-titties loving Hispanic shithole over whatever the fuck Europe is turning itself into, no question.

beer-and-titties loving Hispanic shithole

A little blunt for a resort name, but at least you know what you're getting.

That's the capsule description; I believe the name is "Mar a Lago".

I'll enjoy my 98%+ white country, cheers.

No doubt. Good luck keeping the rest of it out, unironically.

Not to mention the diversity and multicultural shit has always been product of US intellectuals first and foremost.

That makes it less mysterious? MAGA loathes those sorts of people.

It's an extension of the culture war, Europe is focused on because they function as a proxy for America (well, the white Americans) and is seen to be suffering from being ruled by the same sorts of people MAGA considers its foremost enemies in the US.

"I'm so enlightened I don't even care about my people's extinction" is what the kids would call "a weird flex". Also, it's not just an American phenomenon, or else there wouldn't be so much gnashing of teeth over "misinformation", the rise of the far right, etc.

I think I care a lot more about my people's extinction than you think, but I don't consider current foreign policy approach from US towards Europe being anyhow helpful towards any sort of solution regarding it and as I said, it becomes laughable when it is so vocally espoused by people in the administration who in real life procreate in polar opposite fashion.

But I think another comment was helpful in illuminating that it could be a proxy way to communicate something about US itself, but doesn't make the likes of JD less hilarious.

Whites are "indigenous" to Europe, so one of the biggest social checks on expressing concern about demographic replacement in the US doesn't apply there, making it simultaneously safer for people so inclined to express and a convenient retort to those who would criticize them.

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