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Culture War Roundup for the week of June 15, 2026

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If Israel is our ally, our greatest ally, then they can't be allowed to do this to us. They can't insult and undermine the clear foreign policy of the POTUS and be allowed to do so.

Replace "Israel" with "USA", you funnily enough get how it has felt to be a European for the past year and a half. Trump has instituted an era in which alliances are no longer treated with the sanctity they deserve. If betraying your ally has marginal benefit to you, then that is the done thing.

While I am not in favor of the war continuing, part of me does see this as karmic justice. Finally America gets to know how it feels to be shafted by your "greatest ally".

I mean, totally see your point, but there's nothing really comparable here.

If anything the closer parallel would be the Nordstream 2 bombing.

Yeah, and the consequence of the US and Ukraine blowing up Nordstream 2 was that Germany did…absolutely nothing, cozied up to Trump, increased their contributions toward the NATO target and sent more money to Ukraine.

Did some amazing new investigation happen that I missed? We don't definitively know who bombed Nord Stream. Even on Wikipedia there's not a hint of evidence that the US was involved (and Wikipedia will never miss the chance to skew an article against America). Don't try to sneak propaganda through by presenting it as common knowledge.

Yes, Der Spiegel did a very in-depth story on how Ukraine did it, which seemed to at least pass the sniff-test.

Thanks for the article. There does seem to be good evidence that Ukraine did it. But this topic was discussing US-Europe relations, and again, there's nothing in the article that suggests that the US was involved. (Your link mentions the Seymour Hersh article that @peanutgallery linked, but only as a half-baked conspiracy theory.)

As regards the that topic, Spiegel did a follow-up suggesting that the US had some forewarning of the attack but ultimately was not involved in supporting the Ukrainian operation.

It seems plausible at the minimum that the US is not being forthright, but one might actually see that as being in solidarity with Germany, which itself has, as far as I know, declined to officially point fingers.

The American establishment media reporting of yesteryear went beyond 'the US had some forewarning of the attack' and went to 'the US forewarned Germany of the attack.'

Doesn't really seem fair to point fingers at the US, if that's true, then.

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