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Culture War Roundup for the week of June 22, 2026

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Why is the line drawn at fiction?

Because characters in fiction aren't real? The thing that is bad about CSAM is the part where a person was abused to make it. There's no equivalent in fiction.

That's an argument against production, not consumption. In any case, it's easy enough to come up with harms from consumption of fictionalized sexualized children (see other responses in this thread).

It is a an argument about consumption as well.

A - To what extent does a child have to have their stop the worst moment of their life from being circulated?

B - That consumption of real CSAM is a form of demand, and demand leads to increasing supply to meet demand.

A - The same extent as any adult male. /r/combatfootage and [whatever LiveLeak's successor is] is a couple clicks away- a shame most of the claimants aren't alive to make the claim, but what can you do. (Note that the same seems to not hold true for women; they're trying to have pornography of themselves treated the same way we do for children now, and in some jurisdictions are succeeding.)

B - Has the supply of step-sisters stuck in holes in the wall increased to fill the demand PornHub seems to assert exists?

With /r/combatfootage, you generally have the argument that the people who die in it either outright volunteered to be there or at least are perpetrators to the same degree they are victims.

I'm personally actually rather on the "decriminalise possession/distribution, punish production" side here, but I do think that one the flip side if you want to have that kind of moral system then for consistency real people (preemptively) or surviving relatives ought to be able to suppress circulation of /r/watchpeopledie style non-combat death videos too.

you generally have the argument that the people who die in it either outright volunteered to be there or at least are perpetrators to the same degree they are victims.

Which also applies to most of the high-profile "revenge porn" cases, and every case involving teenagers sexting (which a naive approach of "punish production" would still catch, though "the privilege to arbitrarily have your daughter's boyfriend jailed" is something traditionalists do like...)

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