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Culture War Roundup for the week of June 29, 2026

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Thuletide on Fertility

According to Thuletide, the age gap «pedophilia» moral panic, spawned by feminism and kicked into overdrive during the #MeToo era that began circa 2017, is a potentially civilization-ruining phenomenon. He is, of course, not referring to very real problems, like grooming gangs in Britain, but the fact that 18-year-old boys are frequently accused of being an "Epstein diddy blud" merely for talking to 17-year-old girls. If you wanted to vaporize our already plummeting birth rates, stigmatizing any age gap larger than that between identical twins is a great way to do it.

From Thuletide's Telegram:

Girls typically reach physical sexual maturity (adult secondary sexual characteristics) between the ages of 15 and 17, while boys mature a couple of years later. Yet, it is disturbingly common to conflate an 18-year-old dating a 16-year-old — a relationship between two biological adults, legal everywhere in the West aside from a handful of deranged US states — with a 40-year-old raping a 9-year-old. Apparently, the people who do this have no problem with trivializing actual pedophilia (the sexual abuse of prepubescents), which causes immense and long-lasting harm.

The crux of this issue is that healthy male heterosexuality — the preference for younger but sexually mature women — has effectively been criminalized. Meanwhile, older-female age gap relationships are constantly celebrated by the Gynocratic World Order (see e.g. the safe-horny "dommy mommy" phenomenon), to the extent that female teachers who sleep with their male students are routinely spared jail time and socially excused: "Where was she when I was a student?!"

For all of human history until very recently, older-male-age-gap relationships were regarded as normal and good; the average age gap in America from 1850 to 1950 was 4.5 years. Even today, in face of widespread moral hysteria, the average 23-year-old white man and woman in the West prefer partners who are 2 and 3 years older than themselves, respectively. The evolutionary theory is simple: Men prefer fertile women, women prefer men who can provide for offspring; women are most fertile when young, men accumulate resources with age.

From his Twitter, he cites the following. Older-male age-gap relationships produce more children, with total lifetime fertility peaking at +7 years (although the variation from +3 to +13 years is very small). The negative fertility effect of older wives begins immediately at +1 year and declines linearly; at +3.5 years, couples produce 0.5 fewer children, on average. Obviously, this is due to women's limited fertility window, which is much smaller than commonly believed: by age 31, around 10% of women are sterile and around 50% are subfertile (they have difficulty conceiving, decreased egg quality, etc).

He concludes on Telegram:

To increase birth rates and reduce dysgenics, early marriage should be encouraged, particularly among the intelligent. Ideally, both husband and wife should be in their late teens to very early 20s. Older-male relationships between young adults (~16-25) should also be destigmatized. Society should be restructured to ensure that intelligent couples can have as many children as possible before age 30-35; reduce time spent in education, prioritize youth for high-paying jobs, give intelligent young men huge lump sums per child (funded by e.g. abolishing welfare), and so on.

Sounds like a better plan than complaining about phones to me.

Is there really such a huge moral panic though? I have firsthand experience with this issue (I'm in my 50s and my fiancee is 19) and we get the occasional funny look while out in public but that's about it. I imagine the people on Reddit would freak out, but are they really that influential?

The strongest argument I can think of is that silly internet trends may very well end up being very influential. That being said, it's difficult to see how one could formally prohibit age gap relationships between consenting adults.

I have firsthand experience with this issue (I'm in my 50s and my fiancee is 19)

That's disgusting! How did you meet her? Just so I know what sort of lifestyle and places to avoid when I'm in my 50s someday.

we get the occasional funny look while out in public but that's about it. I imagine the people on Reddit would freak out, but are they really that influential?

"It's just a few crazy kids on campus." Maybe or maybe not it's just a few white-knights and bitter middle-aged women on Reddit, but bear in my mind they'd happily have you imprisoned alongside Leonardo DiCaprio and Tobey Maguire.

That being said, it's difficult to see how one could formally prohibit age gap relationships between consenting adults.

Where there's a will, there's a way.

The age of consent can always be raised, including to over 18, with a Romeo and Juliet clause of ${YEARS}. In the US, for example, there's already plenty of precedent where adulthood isn't fully adult: can't drink, buy handguns, or (in some states) gamble until the age of 21; can't run for House, Senate, or President until the age 25, 30, or 35, respectively.

Romeo and Juliet

That was an adverse outcome.

Had she married Count Paris maybe she makes it to 19.

I think OP is looking for a Juliet and Paris clause.

That's disgusting! How did you meet her? Just so I know what sort of lifestyle and places to avoid when I'm in my 50s someday.

Just to be clear, she sought me out. My preference would be for someone who is older, however I'm not a "Chad" type so I can't really have a laundry list of requirements. Just finding a woman who is slender, reasonably intelligent, and not into Leftism is hard enough.

"It's just a few crazy kids on campus."

Yeah, I know. I concede that all the hate for men who are in relationships with younger women could easily explode into the mainstream. That being said, I think it's more likely to remain more of a sniper's weapon than a shotgun. Maybe it's wishful thinking? Anyway, my fiancee and I have 3 citizenships between us so I guess there are a lot of options to flee.

it's difficult to see how one could formally prohibit age gap relationships between consenting adults.

Oh, that’s very easy. Just follow the miscegenation playbook:

  1. Make shit up about muh brain maturity or whatever that makes the younger partner less human -> not “adult”
  2. Ban relationships on those grounds

I've only heard people complaining about the moral panic, not the panic itself. But I haven't seen any grown men seriously try to date 16 year olds, I suppose people would be upset about that. The WASP types that comprise my ancestors would have been upset about that in the past too, though.

Furthermore, pretty much all the complainers that I've encountered have fit a very specific profile.

How much of this alleged "moral panic" is just the reasonable skepticisn of normie parents who don't like this "weirdo" leering at thier kids?

Yeah, there's potentially a place for a 20 year old who wants to marry a 17 year old (I think most states allow that, sometimes asking for family approval), but that rarely seems to be the intention, despite the cries of "but it's for Fertility!"

The prepubesant anime girl in thier avatar is something of a give-away.

Misuzu Kamio is not prepubescent.

Right... I'm sure she's actually a 700 year old warlock or something.

No, her body is literally not prepubescent.

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