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I don't particularly like where this thread went either, but what are you talking about? Where's the part where she hit the gym, started dressing better, and practicing social skills that will make her attractive to men?
I have to admit, I don't get what everyone is talking about in this thread. Katja looks plenty attractive to marry and 36 is not disqualifyingly old, unlike the 42yo on HackerNews a few months ago. She probably did miss the boat. Katja's prospects, on the other hand, are quite good given her industry.
That said, I also don't see this as a case of a lost soul improving herself? I imagine the equivalent low SMV male posting a classified seeking applications for girlfriend would also get eyerolls. The "I'm willing to consider monogamy" part in particular stands out as comparable to "I'm willing to consider getting a steady job" for a guy.
Yeah the people saying she's not attractive are insane. I'm certainly willing to agree that she's not the hottest woman to ever grace the planet. But to say she isn't attractive at all says way more about the person making that claim (and none of it good) than it does her. She's reasonably pretty.
How is she attractive? She looks like an average 36 year old American woman IMO but that's not necessarily attractive. Is she more or less attractive than the computer-generated 'average woman' of most countries? I think less. I'll admit that attractiveness is difficult to define and depends on where you are. Even so, would a man's eyes linger on her in a crowd? I doubt it.
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As someone who consumes a lot of HBD/physiognomy-related content, I’ve seen these “composite photos of the average woman in [X] country” posts so many times, and I have an honest question for you: does the average adult female you see walking around in public in your country honestly look like this? How about the average woman in just your city alone? I can say pretty definitively that the average woman where I live - which is a coastal city that’s far healthier and less obese than the vast majority of locales in America - does not look this good. Hell, the average woman of the age range depicted in these photos doesn’t look this good.
I’ve never been to any of the countries reflected in this image - although I’ll be visiting the UK in a couple of weeks, so I can report back my findings soon - but I would be very surprised to find that the average French woman looks like the woman in that picture. Demographics, of course, are the big elephant in the room; the average young French woman, at least in major metropolitan areas of the country, is probably several shades darker, and the average ethnic French woman is probably at least ten years older than what’s in that picture.
So, no, the woman in OP’s post does not look as attractive as a speculative, fictionalized, idealized composite image, but I think she’s objectively above-average in an American context, given that she’s not overweight, she’s white, and she doesn’t appear to dress like a slob.
But those pictures are of averaged women. It so happens, by virtue of trivial statistics, that you can average out random shortcomings and developmental errors with a random sample. Averaged women and men look pretty nice, markedly above average; at most, they can tell us about things like the typical anthropometric type and obesity rate.
... On second thought, an averaged man looks more meh. I guess this tells us something about eggs and sperm.
Yeah, I just checked on Google and averaged women are generally hot, while averaged men are merely "good looking".
Maybe it's because hot means sexually attractive, and you're heterosexual.
I think the issue has more to do with internalizing hypergamous female standards. A decently hot – say, 8/10 – woman is «not defective», we do not expect model looks, only generic high-quality genome (high symmetry, good skin/hair etc). A hot man is in the direction of the proverbial Gigachad/Pattinson/Cavill, an outlier in the sense of facial masculinization PLUS symmetry and those generic qualities. You do not get to above-average masculinization by averaging regular men.
Granted, a «very hot» woman will also be impossible to get with this method.
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