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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/shows/meetthepress/blog/rcna90023
Apparently there’s been a big drop in conservative support for gay marriage, all in the space of a year.
I think this says a lot, mainly because it’s a point I see brought up by a lot of the blackpillers in this community “look, look - even conservatives support gay marriage now, there’s no stopping progressivism”.
Well, what now? Apparently the left has pushed too hard and too fast and it’s turning the GOP away. Being LGBT isn’t seen as some harmless thing anymore, especially when it seems being “tolerant” means accepting gay drag nuns on crucifixes. The parodies are no longer a parody, and grooming children to accept gender ideology seems rife in schools even in deep red states.
Recently I read about a Muslim city in america voting to ban the pride flag. This is just one example of the incoming shift and realignment being forced by progressive extremism becoming more forcibly mainstream
Either this is evidence of the upcoming gay holocaust(not likely). Or it's a sort of boomer/X'er deathrattle where a few too many of them at once are realizing the propaganda they've been parroting all their lives was actually just appeasing lipservice designed entirely around getting them shut up until we get to the next era of progress. Where we can play the same game again, but with more progress, obviously.
On the other hand I'd be interested to know just what the effect of drastically lower marriage rates in general does to these sort of polls. If you no longer view 'marriage' as an important thing it might be much easier to be against it. To that end I'd be surprised if there is any genuine uptick in anti-gay stuff.
I am actually quite confident most of the 'anti-gay' sentiment expressed by anyone goes no further than pining for the 90's. I.e. 'Can we please go back to the world your old propaganda promised us where we all just pretend to be open and tolerant about 'sexuality'. Seeing people actually doing it grosses me out.'
Most people today seem to be too conflict averse to verbalize any visceral anti-gay sentiment. Though you can see some of it every now and then when STD stuff comes around, like with 'monkeypox'.
I think it’s both more and less. I don’t see it as just about the gays. Sure there’s a lot of reasons that gayness is hated on, especially as it touches how the schools handle this, but that’s not the only thing here.
A second factor is that this is a fulcrum of the power structure dictating very alien attitudes and beliefs at odds with Amerikaner traditional culture. Amerikaner culture is based in traditional Christianity, Western European folk culture, and a very pioneering spirit. And what Gay is symbolic of is the degree to which those traditions are not respectable in any form in elite circles. No one who has ambitions to become an elite would ever admit to adherence to any of those Amerikaner ideals. In fact, they have made it very clear that such ideals must be eliminated. And so, like ancient Israel riots when the governor disrespected them by sacrificing pigs in Jerusalem, the people who believe in Amerikaner ideals are fighting back at the most obvious symbols of that disrespect. Gays aren’t just hated because they’re weird, but because they’re like those pigs — an open declaration that “you and your stupid backwards ways are no longer tolerated, and we hold the power here.”
It, and a lot of MAGA Trumpism are products of an almost anti-colonial backlash of people who have no power to make themselves heard running as hard as they can to be as loud and obnoxious as possible in order to tell the colonial power in the mega cities that they and their culture are not wanted. The traditional Baptist in Georgia probably wouldn’t care about gays in California if they’d let him raise his kids as traditional Baptists. They wouldn’t mind gays or even transgender people doing whatever they wanted to if their kids weren’t being sent to schools that promoted the agenda, if every sport, tv show, and movie weren’t openly hostile to them, their beliefs, and their right to peacefully live as they want to in their own land.
Nobody living in Georgia is going to face actual legal obstacles to raising his kids as traditional baptists anytime soon. And in practice it doesn’t seem like ultra-progressive overreach is targeted against fundamentalists or affects them very much; it’s mostly dysfunctional but upwardly mobile normies that these things get targeted against.
They require, by title 9 that all schools receiving money from the government teach DEI and affirm the woke agenda. Both of which contradict the Bible. And any job that isn’t labor requires obedience to the tenets of woke. So it’s technically possible to live as a fundamentalist Christian, and raise your kid as one, but you have to basically drop out of polite society to do it.
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The feds have already said that via Title IX they'll strip funding from schools that don't treat transgender kids as their self-identified gender.
So, if you don't want your kid in a mixed-sex locker room, you either have to pull them from P.E., or pull them from the public schools. You're not legally prohibited from doing that, but it's costly. You either take on the burden of home schooling or have to pay tuition to a private school.
The feds have a sneaky way of using money to get their way. They held highway funding hostage to get states to raise their drinking ages. Maybe they'll threaten to withhold medicaid funding unless states adopt laws allowing CPS to treat non-affirming parents as abusers.
For anyone who was wondering about this, the federal government was going to withhold 10% of the highway funding.
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Is "can't send your kids to high school because they might be transed or otherwise indoctrinated" not obstacle enough for you?
Sure you can (for now) homeschool if you want, but Amerikaner culture is football stars and homecoming queens, not weirdos reading the bible in their basement.
I’m skeptical of this narrative. Dutch calvinists are still growing demographically under a much more conformist-progressive government than is likely to be in Georgia anytime soon, as an example of schools failing to ‘trans or otherwise indoctrinate’. And we should probably expect more or less the same thing here if the blues get a total victory.
Moreover, the indoctrination seems like it’s mostly blue tribers that are conservative or moderate democrats getting their kids indoctrinated into lunacy, not so much kids from red tribe families.
Maybe so, maybe not -- but regardless of the practical consequences it's ceding territory.
Something is being taken; something concrete which can crystalize the general sense in which this is happening anyways.
People gonna react.
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