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Small-Scale Question Sunday for July 2, 2023

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I'm not opposed to sharing extremist left or right news sources as talking points, but Counter Currents is very lowbrow even compared to say Unz/AmRen/most of dissident right twitter. I think a few years ago it was slightly more erudite, but it's kind of degenerated into hysterical /pol/posting and neo-nazi bait that - like this article - cherry picks stats badly from official sources without understanding them (see @Gdanning's comment below) to make a very much exaggerated point.

In general, the far right misses the forest for the trees in the Rotherham affair. This essentially occurred in the rust belt of England, the victims were underclass girls, largely children of single mothers, many of them were in care because their mothers were addicts or otherwise couldn't look after them, high levels of multigenerational poverty, zero opportunity, zero faith or traditional values, essentially some of the most hollowed-out, atomized, empty, unproductive, valueless and dysfunctional communities in the Western world. So yes, it's an indictment of the mass immigration that occurred to these areas, I don't think that's something that can or should be ignored, but these communities' issues go way, way beyond that and most have little to do with Mirpuris moving to the UK.

In general, the far right misses the forest for the trees in the Rotherham affair. This essentially occurred in the rust belt of England, the victims were underclass girls, largely children of single mothers, many of them were in care because their mothers were addicts or otherwise couldn't look after them

People are upset that the state refused to fulfill it's most basic duty to it's citizens for ideological reasons, and the "forest" they're supposed to be missing is poverty and single motherhood? I'm sure the father that tried to bust his daughter out of the brothel, and got stopped by the police, will be relieved to hear that.

Yeah, the forest is the huge societal decay that begat this whole thing. If mass immigration had never happened, Rotherham would still be a huge shithole filled with the dregs of British society. That, to me, is as much (if not more) of a problem.

I can just as easily say that if you have a police force that refuses to protect you for ideological reasons, that's a more fundamental issue, even if you live in a low crime area. So on what basis are you deciding that this is the forest?

In general, the far right misses the forest for the trees in the Rotherham affair.

The key factor that the far right cares about is the betrayal aspect, that police were too afraid of looking racist to do anything about it. They tried hard to cover it up, disappearing the evidence. And they succeeded for at least a decade.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal#Weir_report_(2001)

Having a poor, unemployed, faithless underclass is one thing, having a poor, police covering up for the criminals is quite another.

In two of the cases we read, fathers tracked down their daughters and tried to remove them from houses where they were being abused, only to be arrested themselves when police were called to the scene. In a small number of cases (which have already received media attention) the victims were arrested for offences such as breach of the peace or being drunk and disorderly, with no action taken against the perpetrators of rape and sexual assault against children.

https://www.rotherham.gov.uk/downloads/file/279/independent-inquiry-into-child-sexual-exploitation-in-rotherham

The police were incredibly useless and unhelpful, all the young people in Rotherham knew that taxis drivers were abusers yet none of the officials who had these extensive liasons and meetings managed to do anything about it (like taking away their licenses, for example). Or the police thought doing anything about child molesting was 'a waste of time'. Or check 10.11-10.18, page 85 - it paints a rather disturbing picture of someone inside the police force helping an abuser blackmail a young girl by threatening her 11 year old sister. Concerns about this expressed to the District Commander were thoroughly ignored and witnesses were silenced.

Yes, I didnt mean to say that those other two were particularly 'highbrow'. In general, once people get into outright virulent racism (in the traditional definition) the quality of their writing drops significantly. I think this is mainly because smarter dissident right figures have actual aspirations to involvement in real-world politics, and even a reactionary government in the US or Western Europe is going to balk at someone with a long history of Turner Diaries-esque posts online. See the Finnish economy minister who just got cancelled for making oblique nazi references, for example.

He’s still in a cabinet position in Finland.

Very technically - he's going to stay as a lame duck for some weeks until the parliament's summer break is over.

He’s a prominent figure in the party; like Höcke in the AfD he can’t just be fully removed. But if he hadn’t made those comments he’d have much more power than he now does. You’re not going to send a guy with a Counter Currents posting history to negotiate favorable new trade deals with Israel or Ghana or whatever. Propriety still matters.

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