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I want to get a new PC for gaming - not necessarily the newest or most expensive, but something that can run Elden Ring, Starfield, etc and not lag out like crazy on 1080p.

Tried going back to reddit, but it feels like it's all just bots and spammers now when it comes to prebuilt. Now I would prefer a prebuilt, although I am open to building a PC. Main frustration is just that it takes time, and there are risks with it. I've built a PC before but willing to spend the extra $200-300 for convenience.

I've found a couple and I want to get the Motte's opinion. Or feel free to just send me a link to one you like. My budget is around $1400 max but I'd like to spend less. Here are the ones I'm looking at rn:

https://www.newegg.com/p/3D5-005D-00007?Item=9SIBGVAK3Y1784

https://www.newegg.com/p/3D5-003E-000W7

https://www.newegg.com/acer-po3-640g-ur11-predator/p/N82E16883101889

Please help me out fellow Mottizens!

@self_made_human @official_techsupport

EDIT: ended up going with the Yeiyan - https://www.newegg.com/yeyian-ypi-sh34f0b-4701u/p/3D5-002P-00038?Item=3D5-002P-00038

All told if you add up the parts it's only an extra $100 or so for the whole rig. Plus a keyboard and windows 11 license. Seems like a great deal.

If anyone is curious PM me next week and I'll let you know if there are any issues with it.

I'm a bit late to the party, but the best way to get a prebuilt PC is to get one off your local Craigslist equivalent. You usually can get a good deal on a two-year-old PC with top-of-the-line $CURRENT_YEAR-2 components from a hardcore gamer that has just migrated to a new box with top-of-the-line $CURRENT_YEAR components.

The second best is finding a local gamer friend with more time than money, like a high schooler or a college student, and paying them the extra $100-200 for convenience.

Yeiyan Yippie looks alright tbh. Noticed they harvested good reviews from a $900 budget model before switching to this more expensive one. The "premade Yeyian windows account" sounds sketchy as fuck though.
Also check if there's a single 16GB ram stick, or 2x8. If it's a single you can get another one for dual channel, and 16 to 32 is a decent upgrade if you do a lot of ram intensive stuff.

The 2nd one, maybe. It lacks important information about the hard drive. The current bottleneck in PC gaming is data speeds of the HDD. M2 is the way to go but there is incredible variation. Current gen is pcie4 with read/writes of at least 4000, with 6000+ being preferred. I'm not a fan of AMD GPUs but I'm sure they are fine. I had multiple bad experienced with anything AMD in the past and will never buy one again. 16mb of RAM really doesn't cut it for a modern gaming PC either, but thats not a terribly expensive upgrade. Not clearly listing the MB specs is also concerning.

I'd echo the advice of using Partpicker. If you have an IRL contact who build their own or is up to date on what the current value parts are I'd try to pester them about it. All those prebuilds are terrible low-info on their specs which is a red flag to me. You can build an absolutely slamming gaming PC for 1400 np. I'd look for a good deal on a MB/CPU bundle and build from there. Its only slightly more difficult than Lego to put them together. Seating the CPU is the only real "danger" moment of breaking something costly, a bundle will solve for that.

My last build was 3 years ago. GPU: GeForce RTX 2070 CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-8600K This MB: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07WL5MFXL 32gb of DDR4 RAM - Crucial Samsung 970evo pcie m.2 SSD 2tb

The whole thing was about $800. It still crushes every game I've ever thrown at it at high graphics.

I'm probably too late but here's my suggestions:

For pc building try pcpartpicker.com They have prebuilds as well as pricing data mining to ensure you're getting the best price for whatever parts you want.

GPUs are really expensive for no reason, the 2nd hand market might not be as awful as you think it is - especially for GPUs. I wouldn't use 2nd hand mobos or psus.

If you aren't doing any video editing or productivity an AMD gpu might be better - be aware that their drivers aren't as good.

Are you sure you're sticking to 1080p? Because if you are, 8gb of vram is probably enough. If you're going to be using 1440p or 2160p though, definitely get 12+gb.

ya I don't need crazy graphics

I personally like the first build with the 3070 more, though the people pointing out that 8gb of vram isn't future proof have a fair point.

It's a significant step up over a 3060, though against the 6750 XT it's quite close.

I own a 3070 and it's still a good card at 1440p, so it should handle 1080p just peachy.

I also prefer the Nvidia software ecosystem, not that I ever use raytracing. DLSS is great, and most modern AAA games have that or FSR, which AMD supports.

IMO, see if you can afford the step up to the latest Ryzen 5 series processors or a current gen gpu. I'd wait for the RX midrangers like the 7700 XT myself, they just launched and seem like decent value.

If not, then option 1 has my vote!

IMO, see if you can afford the step up to the latest Ryzen 5 series processors or a current gen gpu. I'd wait for the RX midrangers like the 7700 XT myself, they just launched and seem like decent value.

I mean I definitely can afford it, I'm just generally allergic to spending more money than I have to on stuff like this. It's a fun purchase for me basically.

I suppose it's an investment in the future, but it's like hmm do I really want to spend an extra $300 or so just to get some slightly fancier hardware?

There's also the sunk cost of if the rig breaks before the end of it's usefulness, which IME is likely, it ceases to be a good investment to get better hardware. (Well not actually with modular parts but I'm lazy and hate to fix things)

The second one with the 6750xt. 50% more vram than the 3070 - PC games are just console games that are ported over these days. Consoles have about 12GB of addressable vram. Developers are targeting higher vram requirements.

For gaming get the best GPU you can afford[1], 16GB RAM, and a decent SSD. You can skimp on the CPU a bit as long as you get a 6-core at least.

[1] check benchmarks, focusing on raster performance. I wouldn't worry about ray tracing at this budget level.

Especially if you live anywhere with a microcenter, your best bet is to pick up a CPU+RAM+Mobo on sale and slap it in your old case with a generously sized power supply, then find a GPU on sale. Buildapcsales on reddit still has some decent deals despite the bot activity. There are still some good sales on 12th gen intel CPUs and boards that everyone is trying to get rid of.

Get a 2TB NVME and you won't need any other storage except a backup HDD.

Interesting. If I go to a microcenter will they take my old PC and put new parts in? I thought they only built new PCs for ya.

Edit: Don't have a microcenter near me anyway. RIP.

something that can run Elden Ring, Starfield, etc. and not lag out like crazy on 1080p

I am open to building a PC

Anything at or above the "very good" tier (914 $) on Logical Increments should fit your criteria.

8 gigs of ram in a $1000 dollar PC with a $100 case makes me wonder about that site, tbh.

Amazing how you choose pcs get that worse gpus the more expensive they get. Get the one with the 3070. It will be more than enough for 1080p, its actually a good deal.

Spend the rest of tbe budget on a good monitor or two and good peripherals. They are just as important for the gaming experience as the PC.

Hah don't worry I have a 60 inch TV that and controllers etc. I can't go back to gaming on a tiny desk monitor anymore I'm too spoiled.

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