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SerialStateLineXer
14hr ago
I hit 15k this week, too. I finished up Math for Machine Learning, and it looks like it covered about 60% each of Linear Algebra and Stats, and 30% of Multivariable Calculus, so now I'm going back and finishing up the remainder of those courses while I wait for them to finish up Machine Learning I.
Zephyr
14hr ago
I mean, you absolutely can assign greater culpability to the more effective side.
I have a new kitten who is just three months old, and a one year old cat. The kitten loves attacking the bigger cat, but I have to be very careful to keep him from hurting her.
That being said, as Hamas’s intent is seemingly “genocide all Israelis,” I do have very little sympathy for them.
oats_son
14hr ago
Haha, it is funny how similar this is to the last time we discussed it. But I and the person watching with me both had the same feeling problem_redditor had after the movie ended.
hydroacetylene
14hr ago
Lowering the bar to be declared a vexatious litigant is a possible avenue of reform that might make a difference at the margins.
Design your dream house in OpenSCAD, print a 1/64 model of it, and put your favorite 1/64 die-cast car in the driveway.
hydroacetylene
14hr ago
Sudan is nowhere near the Sahel, but even aside from that, how many of those Sudanese refugees are going to Europe?
hydroacetylene
14hr ago
50 thousand out of almost five million is, indeed, mostly gone. Christians used their IQ advantage to look around, realize it was time to get the hell out of dodge, and then promptly do so. 1% of the population can't fight a Lebanese civil war.
hydroacetylene
14hr ago
There are quite a number of countries with large arms industries. The logic of 'surely nobody would sell them weapons' is not supported by history.
hydroacetylene
14hr ago
Everyone in the region first Aramaized, then Hellenized, then(Jews excepted) Arabized. Palestinians having some Philistine blood wouldn't be surprising, even if I suspect it's mostly Bedouin and Caananite.
hydroacetylene
14hr ago
It's the only thing that will cause a halachic jew to lose their halachically jewish status, IIRC.
Fruck
Lacks all conviction
14hr ago
If anything to me the debates sort of remind me of the ones over personality, psychology, and determinism. We still haven't figured out strongly if people are deterministic or not, and so we seem ill-suited to judge how deterministic an LLM is in its responses. Personally, I'm satisfied by calling LLMs jagged or fragile intelligence, and I think that captures more nuance than a more loaded general term.
Agreed wholeheartedly. The similarities between this argument and the argument to define consciousness are so clear imo it gives the game away. Never mind AI, most people are capable of 'intelligence' (quoted to refer to the op, not snark) but spend most of their time trapped by their context window. Many people will similarly apologise unreservedly for making up code that fucks your set up and tell you how ashamed they are for making such a foolish mistake and how glad they are you caught it and promise to do better - and then print a negligible variation on the code they first gave you. Many people are incapable of absorbing new information and casting out the old, which is why the left are still wailing about Christians persecuting gays and the right are still hunting communists. They refuse to update their memory, or they fall back on old patterns when tired or stressed. Are they unintelligent?
Ok I'm not sure which side I'm arguing now.
hydroacetylene
15hr ago
She's always been an anti-semite(this is common for both blacks and right wing hardliners), she just couldn't keep it under wraps after October 7 and got fired because her boss is Jewish. From there she spiraled because she was hanging out with professional antisemites.
hydroacetylene
15hr ago
For now you don't.
hydroacetylene
15hr ago
It's also possible that Candace Owens is crazy, and she legitimately believes this despite being wrong- because, it bears repeating, she is crazy.
Lizzardspawn
15hr ago
Anyone into to 3d printing? My A1 mini is arriving tomorrow and I wonder what is the most efficient way to jump into this rabbit hole.
UwU
15hr ago
Yes, charitably, both can be misogynistic. Saying that a woman is secretly a man is mainly an attack on female politicians in the US, you don't see conspiracy theories that Biden or Trump are actually secretly female. In this way, it's misogynistic since it's an attack that disproportionately targets women.
philosoraptor
15hr ago
If this were happening in a vacuum with no historical context, that might be a good argument. But this situation is all about historical context, and to ignore it to this degree is somewhere between hopelessly naive and wilfully blind.
Supah_Schmendrick
15hr ago
I think it is entirely reasonable to hold Israel to a higher standard than Hamas. If I held the Israel government only to the standard of Hamas (whom I consider murderous thugs who need to be wiped from the face of the earth), then I would have to concede that it would be a good thing if NATO invaded Israel and occupied them for a few decades until they learned better.
No offense, but this is insane moon-logic to me, and I need help grokking it. It's completely alien to the traditional logic of international law - “it is impossible to visualize the conduct of hostilities in which one side would be bound by rules of warfare without benefitting from them, and the other side would benefit from rules of warfare without being bound by them.” (H. Lauterpacht, “The Limits of Operation of the Law of War” (1953) 30 British Year Book of Int’l Law 206, 212).
Agreed that initially he does not start out like that. However as you say the Death Note starts taking over after a fairly short time, and turns him into someone who is portrayed as pretty straightforwardly evil. It makes for a less interesting character, in my opinion. I felt like the whole corruption arc was dealt with far better in Breaking Bad, in that Walt becomes less of a cartoon villain and even in the end once he's been fully Heisenberged is still willing to give up his wealth to save Hank, in spite of all his faults. Light on the other hand quickly becomes quite irredeemable rather early on.
L never came off that well in the story for me. It was just a guy who loved the mystery and found the whole thing to be a fascinating game. He had no moral reason to want to stop Light. He just wanted to catch Kira because it was a difficult case to solve.
I mean, correct; L does not have a strong moral inclination. Maybe I worded that poorly, it's just that I would have found their game of cat and mouse far more interesting and multilayered had they had any other deeper reason to participate outside of "I want to play god"/"I find solving mysteries fun". You could have given the audience an impression of their differing outlooks, shown how that informs their behaviour in real life and with other people, and once the show actually puts Light and L in the same room together there could have been an interesting demonstration of what happens when each of their ideals are challenged by that of the other. That's something I would really have wanted to see from the show, it feels like wasted potential that it did not materialise.
Supah_Schmendrick
15hr ago
DirtyWaterHotDog
15hr ago
The starvation claimed by the linked urls and a starvation where 'Israel starves all Gazans to death' are not the same thing. My contention is with the slippery slope framing of it. I don't believe the OP was implying mass famine either.
The standoff between Israel, UN and Hamas is technically causing starvation, but there is a big difference between undernourishment and deadly famine. I am uniquely heartless having grown up in the 3rd world. Stunting & wasting is commonplace. Deadly famines killed millions until the 1980s. I could have more sympathy. I'll try.
That being said, the article I linked is worth reading. The linked author seems legitimate enough. Biased, yes. But, not an activist. He also posts on substack, but the article was pay walled there.
This Substack is about Defense, the Middle East, and the psychology of disinformation, from a former soldier. I served for 16 years in the British Army (2005-21), leaving the Parachute Regiment with the rank of Major. I completed three tours in Afghanistan including one attached to US Army Special Forces, and further tours of Bosnia, Northern Ireland and the Middle East.
I was a senior lecturer at the Royal Military Academy Sandhurst, teaching in the War Studies and Behavioral Science departments, teaching military theory and leadership to officer cadets in training. I am currently a research fellow at the Henry Jackson Society.
In 2024, I visited Gaza twice and captured Hezbollah tunnels in Lebanon. I am a regular Middle East commentator on national media.
a general shift against Judaism among the public
Antisemitism isn't a monolith. Thinking of it as a monolith is unproductive and misleading. There are at least 4 distinct groups that plausibly hate jews: Muslims, Leftists, Incels and Bandwagoners.
Muslims hatred for Jews runs deep. This is proper bigotry. Proper antisemitism. Modern muslims may articulate a rationale for their hatred of Israel, and there are many good reasons. But, the hatred precedes those reasons.
Leftists hate Jews for being perceived as right-wing (economically and socially) oppressors.
Incels hate Jews because they are smart and rich. It's hatred rooted in jealousy and resentment. Here, an incel is a standin-term for a chronically online man who believes in a binary alpha male / beta male characterization of the world. They aren't necessarily sexless. Many black men (famously Kanye) and poor whites fit this bill.
Bandwagoners only care about optics. Optics tell them that Israel is bad and worth hating so they hate them. bandwagoners are most vulnerable to visible displays of cruelty. This is the largest group.
In Europe, rising antisemitism has to do with a rising Muslim population. Similarly, in NYC, it has to do with the rise of a Muslim-coded leftist as mayoral candidate. On college campuses, the rise in antisemitism is because of bandwagoners who can't afford to be seen as uncool in university. University leftists were always antisemitic, so there isn't much scope for rise there. On the internet and especially X, it is fueled by incel tears.
The reason I make this distinction, is because leftists and bandwagoners channel their hatred through Netanyahu. If he goes, Israel may get a period of relief from these 2 groups. As jews continue to lose face in public, incels are already losing motivation. If the new Israeli leader lacks big-dick-energy, the incels will mark him as effeminate and move over to their next source of resentment.
That leaves us with the Muslims. I don't have an answer here. Muslims seem to genuinely hate Jews and Israel. I don't know if anything can be done about it. As the population of devout muslims rises through the 1st world, antisemitism will rise in lockstep. Maybe they'll become irreligious as they integrate. But, the results in Europe aren't encouraging.
orthoxerox
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15hr ago
Do you really believe that if Israël fell the entire citizen population wouldn’t be welcomed into the west with open arms? The west needs young taxpayers, which Israël has.
The Mizrahim, the religious slackers, the ultranationalists - probably not.
George_E_Hale
insufferable blowhard
15hr ago
As I said the 16 year old had already seen the full series.
Agriculture generates hundreds of billions in revenue, and is far mor essential to continuing civilisation than Orangutan or LLMs are. Does that make grain, or the tools used to sow and harvest it "intelligent" in your eyes? If not please explain.
That is not a serious objection.
You’re comparing a resource (grain) and a tool of physical labor (a tractor) to a tool of intellectual labor. This is a false equivalence. We don't ask a field of wheat for its opinion on a legal contract. We don't ask a John Deere tractor to write a Python script to automate a business process. The billions of dollars generated by LLMs come from them performing tasks that, until very recently, could only be done by educated human minds. That is the fundamental difference. The value is derived from the processing and generation of complex information, not from being a physical commodity.
I'm just going to quote myself again:
ChatGPT 3.5 played chess at about 1800 elo. GPT 4 was a regression in that regard, most likely because OAI researchers realized that ~nobody needs their chatbot to play chess. That's better than Stockfish 4 but not 5. Stockfish 4 came out in 2013, though it certainly could have run on much older hardware.
If you really need to have your AI play chess, then you can trivially hook up an agentic model that makes API calls or directly operates Stockfish or Leela. Asking it to play chess "unaided" is like asking a human CEO to calculate the company's quarterly earnings on an abacus. They're intelligent not because they can do that, but because they know to delegate the task to a calculator (or an accountant).
Training LLMs to be good at chess is a waste of time. Compute doesn't grow on trees, and the researchers and engineers at these companies clearly made a (sensible) decision to spend it elsewhere.
The fact that an LLM can even play chess, understand the request, try to follow the rules, and then also write you a sonnet about the game, summarize the history of chess, and translate the rules into Swahili demonstrates a generality of intelligence that the Atari program completely lacks. The old program hasn't "devolved" into the new one; the new one is an entirely different class of entity that simply doesn't need to be optimized for that one, (practically) solved game.
The market isn't paying billions for a good chess player. There is about $0 to be gained by releasing a new, better model of chess bot. It's paying billions for a generalist intellect that can be applied to a near-infinite range of text-based problems. That's the point.
I came into this thread with every expectation of having a good-faith discussion/debate on the topic. My hopes seem dashed, mainly because you seem entirely unable to admit error.
Rae, SnapDragon, I (and probably several others) have pointed out glaring, fundamental errors in your modeling of how LLMs work. That would merit, at the very least, some kind of acknowledgement or correction. At the time of writing, I see none.
The closest you came to acknowledging fault is, in a reply to @Amadan, where you said that your explanation is "part" of why LLMs struggle with counting. That's eliding the point. Tokenization issues are the overwhelming majority of why they used to struggle, and your purported explanation has no bearing on reality.
You came into this swinging around your credentials, proceeded to make elementary errors, and seem to be closer to "Lorem Epsom", in that your primary concern seems to be prioritizing the appearance of correctness over actual substance.
I can't argue with @rae when he, correctly says:
I hope you realise you are more on the side of the Star Trek fan-forum user than the aerospace engineering enthusiast. Your post was basically the equivalent of saying a Soyuz rocket is propelled by gunpowder and then calling the correction a nitpick.
I would assume that Thailand- as a middle income stratocracy- has the military power to just bully their third world neighbor into compliance?
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