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FirmWeird
Randomly Generated Reddit Username
19hr ago
That article seems to suggest that I'm correct.
Across the nation today, about 70% of workers in the U.S. farm sector are foreign born, according to the Federal Reserve of Kansas City. The National Milk Producers Federation says milk prices could nearly double if the U.S. dairy industry loses its foreign-born workforce, the group said.
70% of all your farm workers are foreign born and I have zero doubt that the vast majority of those would be illegal immigrants, because the entire reason they can get those jobs is their lack of labor protection and inability to protest terrible conditions. Remove them and the price of staples like milk will double - which is why I believe Trump and ICE are focusing on getting deportations into the news rather than actually fixing the problem.
gattsuru
20hr ago
Illinois prohibits employers from using eVerify to any extent not mandated by the federal government, prohibits local jurisdictions from doing anything not mandated by the federal government (even for their own employees!), and requires employers to notify employees within 72 hours of receiving notification of an i9 audit.
California prohibits employers from complying with federal administrative warrants ("Documents issued by a government agency but not issued by a court and signed by a judge are not judicial warrants. An immigration enforcement agent may show up with something called an “administrative warrant” or a “warrant of deportation or removal.” These documents are not judicial warrants"), and from voluntarily providing any employment information. If you're willing to call the current state of eVerify a fishing expedition, that's on you, but I'm not going to take it seriously.
dragonfly
20hr ago
I often just leave my phone in another room and that solves that.
That said, I work in front of a screen all day with little supervision and tonnes of microwaits where the computer is slow than me by between 5 seconds and 5 minutes, so it's easy to get distracted with stuff I don't endorse. On the other hand at least it's usually the Motte or longer Youtube videos, rather than more heavily Now, This content.
faul_sname
Fuck around once, find out once. Do it again, now it's science.
20hr ago
A federal judge has ordered U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) to temporarily end round-the-clock surveillance of a man hospitalized with a broken leg he suffered during his arrest [...] The man, who suffered a broken leg while being arrested in California on August 27, had been detained for more than 37 days [...] To date, ICE has not placed petitioner in removal proceedings, charged him with violating immigration law, set bond, issued a Notice to Appear or otherwise processed him [...] The man, registered by ICE with the pseudonym “Har Maine UNK Thirteen,” was arrested by Customs and Border Protection (CBP) officers at the Carson Car Wash in Carson, California, on August 27
So ICE arrested someone, detained him for 37 days in the hospital under armed guard, did not charge him with anything, denied him legal counsel, and used a pseudonym when registering him in the locator. That sure sounds to me like "ICE disappeared that guy".
FirmWeird
Randomly Generated Reddit Username
20hr ago
We might be seeing the first signs of it, with Bari Weiss taking over CBS.
This has nothing at all to do with woke - this is very explicitly to deal with growing anti-Israel sentiment rather than the culture war.
Iconochasm
2. Bootstrap the rest of the fucking omnipotence.
20hr ago
It's hard to gauge. Here's an article claiming that the raids have devastated the industry, but journalists/hate/insufficient/etc.
faul_sname
Fuck around once, find out once. Do it again, now it's science.
20hr ago
E-Verify is also old enough to vote. It's just not mandatory at the federal level. It is mandatory in some states, so it's not like it's a half-baked system which wouldn't work at scale. It exists, and it works in practice, but it's still not mandatory everywhere. As far as I can tell nothing is preventing Congress from passing a law to make it mandatory, other than "congress has decided it no longer needs to do its job".
Anyway, I'm looking at the examples you gave:
- Illinois SB0508 - this... just looks like it's saying "employers who use E-verify still have to comply with all other relevant employment law"? Is there a particular part of this you object to? Maybe the bit which says "An employer shall ensure that the System is not used for any purpose other than employment verification of newly hired employees and shall ensure that the information contained in the System and the means of access to the System are not disseminated to any person other than employees who need such information" - is your objection that actually Illinois should allow E-verify to be used for employment verification of existing employees as well?
- California AB 450 QA - As far as I can tell, this says "Employers shall not voluntarily and actively assist immigration officials in accessing areas which are closed to the public, or actively provide records to immigration officials, unless those immigration officials have a warrant or subpoena. If immigration officials insist anyway employers have no obligation to try to stop them". That seems fine and very much in line with other regulations in California, e.g. CA Civ Code § 56.10 which says "A provider of health care, health care service plan, or contractor shall not disclose medical information regarding a patient of the provider of health care or an enrollee or subscriber of a health care service plan without first obtaining an authorization, except as provided in subdivision (b) or (c)" and subdivisions (b) and (c) are basically "(b) there's a warrant or equivalent" or "(c) the information is being disclosed to the insurer / other parts of the medical system". I like this law. Law enforcement agents should need either a warrant or reasonable suspicion - I don't like fishing expeditions by law enforcement, and this law seems to specifically prohibit employers from assisting in fishing expeditions where there is no warrant and no probable cause.
Iconochasm
2. Bootstrap the rest of the fucking omnipotence.
20hr ago
You know what, I saw the admission to the other poster, and I always find myself liking and respecting people who do that.
Sorry for the heat.
FirmWeird
Randomly Generated Reddit Username
20hr ago
Is there actually real, serious and muscular enforcement of immigration law against migrant workers? I was under the impression that Trump was explicitly preventing this from happening because illegal immigrants can be treated badly and help keep the costs of produce down.
Trump, who has appeared sympathetic to both farmers and immigration hawks, said Tuesday that the farm laborers aren’t easy to replace — an argument that runs up against critics’ argument that native-born workers could fill the jobs. The president said that “people that live in the inner city” won’t do the work.
“They’ve tried. We’ve tried, Everybody’s tried. They don’t do it. These people do it naturally. Naturally,” Trump said. “I said ‘what happens’ — to a farmer the other day — ’what happens if they get a bad back?’ He said, ‘They don’t get a bad back, sir, because if they get a bad back, they die.’ I said, ‘That’s interesting.’ In many ways, they’re very, very special people.”
If I'm wrong and Trump has been aggressively enforcing the laws against the employment of illegal immigrants I'd be happy to hear it.
DirtyWaterHotDog
20hr ago
Sadly, I don't. I did not read western news back then :(
Iconochasm
2. Bootstrap the rest of the fucking omnipotence.
20hr ago
The quibble is that if Jose is willing to work on a farm in California for what are shit American wages but still a better deal than staying home, the progressive view is that allowing Jose to stay is not advocating against our own interests or wealth redistribution, it's Jose contributing his labor to the economy and getting paid.
Open border, a functioning economy, a robust welfare state. Pick two, and the welfare state is functionally non-negotiable. This version of the progressive take is simply a lie. They manifestly don't care if Jose works, and would rather shut down the government than accept a limitation on their ability to give him taxpayer money.
The conservative view seems to be that if we got rid of all the illegals farmers would pay more and Americans would do it, of which I am skeptical.
Or that it could just be automated, and that it's insane to import tens of millions of farm workers right as we're looking at an AI/robotics era-defining revolution.
DirtyWaterHotDog
20hr ago
Frankly, I was indeed worried that the bar was that low.
Reviewing the job profile, these qualification demands are more rigorous than I gave them credit for. I said a lot of things today, and I have been corrected on a good few. I am glad that happened. Turns out that US is a liberal first world nation, and standards are standards. I am satisfied.
Do you think 'randos' and 'bottom-feeder men with anger problems looking to get the high of having power over someone else' can qualify for a secret clearance?
Not anymore
NYPD's 26 weeks in their police academy, but plenty for their specialised role.
It's 6 months in the academy and then ~2 years in probation.
Iconochasm
2. Bootstrap the rest of the fucking omnipotence.
20hr ago
Exactly. And if right-wing militias start making organized, "attempted murder" attacks on feds they dislike, say, the ATF, then you'll be just as bloodless about that, right? Hardly anything to bother about. Just some kids with signs. Why are you overeacting?
You know, I used to not really have a handle on what your politics were. But you've been coming in hot and fast and ignorant lately, with maximum charity one way and maximum hostility the other. Are you feeling strange new feelings, like molten-veined partisanship?
Jiro
20hr ago
There's a million ways he could've implemented the ICE program, and he chose one with the greatest optics of cruelty.
No plan has good optics when faced by hostile media, as well as protestors deliberately trying to create bad optics.
Skeletor
20hr ago
But they wore masks while they did it, masks make people feel bad. That's basically the same as disappearing people, amirite?
Iconochasm
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20hr ago
"All basic staples are now twice as expensive,
So, between deportations and self-deportations, a purported 2 million illegal immigrants have left. What percent of the "twice as expensive" are we up to?
Iconochasm
2. Bootstrap the rest of the fucking omnipotence.
20hr ago
Democrats are justified in believing that this will select for bottom-feeder men with anger problems looking to get the high of having power over someone else. Given that most illegal immigrants are brown, I can see why democrats would believe that the average ICE agent is a raging racist too.
Aw, man. Remember when Democrats believed that the people fighting in Iraq were bottom-feeder 10% loser retards who just wanted to be racist and murder sand-n**gers?
You should explain why that psychotically uncharitable dehumanization of the outgroup belief was as justified as this one.
Then we'll all hold hands and agree that the progressives occupying their Long March positions in the regulatory agencies are just bottom-feeder pseudo-intellectual retards looking for the high of acting like Ayn Rand villains on account of their raging bigotries and inferiority complexes.
Right?
FlyingLionWithABook
Has a C. S. Lewis quote for that.
20hr ago
I don't believe you when you say "but we have to disappear people, it's the only strategy that could possibly work".
Nobody is getting disappeared. Everyone apprehended can be looked up on a public website. https://locator.ice.gov/odls/#/search
newport
21hr ago
To be fair to yourself, the antagonism may not have been entirely unwarranted since I just kinda dropped this without elaborating. Sorry. RoyGBivens is correct, it's a copypasta from shortly after Biden dropped out and Harris took over the nomination.
I intended this to be another example of what 07mk was talking about on /r/stupidpol.
JarJarJedi
21hr ago
The resulting one is pretty massive too, if it were twice as big I'd probably never even tried it because there's no way I could finish it. So far I'm about 1/3 in, and he already talked a lot about how his science career sucked, unlike his writing. Given that I had always been his fan and yet was never sure (or interested, to be honest) about what he did as a scientist, that's not a surprise.
MaiqTheTrue
Renrijra Krin
21hr ago
I mean this is extremely inflammatory especially as coming from elected officials. They aren’t openly saying it, but I would not expect them to be horrified by some random person taking shots at federal officials. You don’t say things like “redo of the civil war” or declare “ICE free zones” or anything of the sort unless you want to escalate whatever is happening on the street level. Which is already at least at the throw rocks stage.
Bleep
21hr ago
the illegals flood cities and protect the Democrat power centers by keeping those who would threaten their power out
Clearly the emerging Democratic majority with a bunch of minorities all loyal to one another is not going to happen.
they don't need to be loyal to each other, they need to be united in opposition to another group which has worked pretty well for quite a long time
the loyalty to each other is solved through an ethnic spoils system which we already see in cities across the US (and have for quite some time, e.g., Los Angeles)
cities across the US are controlled by people who govern badly, let crime and other scams run rampant and, whether this is intentional or not, the result of this is they keep normal, functional Americans out of those cities which protects the machine politics of those cities
The eVerify mandate [edit: sorry, not eVerify, but a card check] is old enough to vote; while it doesn’t apply to literally every business, it applies to almost all of them. Even outside of the error mode where every other Presidential administration unlawfully issues bulk work permits and mugs about standing to the courts, or shut down compliance audits, several Blue states have undermined it by the letter of the law and destroyed it in practice, and it’s biggest impact has been a burst of SSN fraud.
MotteThrow
21hr ago
He did get convicted (I'm talking about the NY trial here.) He just got lightly sentenced after winning the election instead of the possible 100+ years he could have gotten. The main point is that "kangaroo court" is mostly subjective, but only one side did actually bring a ridiculous case in front of an incredibly partisan area and get a favorable judgement against their partisan enemy. So while we can muse on what Kirk might have meant in his heart of hearts (and I wouldn't even say I really disagree with you there), Dems are actually putting it into practice.
Yeah the whole justice project thing seems to have headed down a weird pathway in recent years. Obviously scope-creep is natural for non-profits but I remember a good Motte comment a few months ago about how it essentially ran out of 'real miscarriages of justice' and now gets by on mostly liberating people who were 98% guilty of horrible crimes but may get clemency with some procedural wiggle room due to lazy prosecutors... which is like fine but doesn't feel like the point of the project.
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