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ulyssessword
11m ago
Measuring, maybe, but that's hardly all the legislature does.
I didn't set the standards we're discussing here. The claim upthread is "All political action is violence." If you didn't agree with that, then it would've been nice to know earlier. I don't have any reason to debate the fact that some political action is violence.
cjet79
17m ago
What is your threshold for being convinced? If you don't have one that's fine, that saves me even more time.
magicalkittycat
24m ago
I think you have a very sad and hateful view of what men are like if you believe they're all joking about how Jews are dishonest and gas chambers.
magicalkittycat
25m ago
Well I guess we've proven the group chat's fears that any disagreement = getting called a RINO and lib correct.
This "world" I'm living in is also called TheMotte. Every other comment here is agreeing with me.
That's crazy, the place you choose to associate with has similar opinions to you? Incredible! That totally disproves the idea that other people exist with different views.
Also "every other comment" except for the ones like me who are disagreeing with you.
Similar to the percentage of men that jerk off to porn. Sorry if that is also a revelation to you.
If you think the amount of men who joke about their love for Hitler and say Jews are dishonest is the same as men who like porn, you seem to have a very pessimistic and sad view of men. There are lots of fantastic guys. Even lots of fantastic conservative guys who are actively condemning this behavior like Governor Scott, or some of the guys at the Babylon bee or some of the National Review reporters.
I don't think I'm the one lacking in theory of mind. Everyone here is telling you this is a common experience and your response has basically been 'no way!' how many people would you need to hear it from to believe us?
And there are also lots of men who say "No, I don't talk about how Jews are dishonest all the time". Sure maybe they're pretty much all lying, but it's also possible that you are stuck in a Hitler Bubble where you associate with others in the hitler bubble and you can't fathom that there are tons of great and fine men not in the Hitler Bubble.
Iconochasm
2. Bootstrap the rest of the fucking omnipotence.
33m ago
A missed element of this discussion is that some people are lambasting these young men for just using the lingo they grew up with. Why are our progressive friends so full of hostility for other cultures? Do they just hate black people? Is there anything in those chats that isn't weak and mild compared to an all time hip-hop banger? (Appologies in advance for scaring the hoes and Will Stancil).
Rex
35m ago
I don’t want to be the edgy guy here. But hear me out. None of these people are or support neo nazis. But they likely think the actual nazis had some good ideas. Especially since the nazis were dealing with a lot of similar problems like Leftist degeneracy. And were quite successful!
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
47m ago
Nah. I can recognize the difference between organizing and directing people to assault others, and measuring environmental contaminants. The first one is closer to violence, if it was unclear to you
Measuring, maybe, but that's hardly all the legislature does. Sometimes crime bosses just order lunch too. The legislature makes rules which the direct result of which is violence applied to those who disobey, and no amount of talking about environmental contaminants will change that.
quiet_NaN
47m ago
We know this not least because Actual-Nazis had a historical record of being murderously serious about their agendas as identified in formal Nazi literature, and openly self-identified as Nazis in very serious contexts.
Come on, that is a strawman you are beating. Nobody is suggesting that these guys are members of the NSDAP, an organization which was disbanded long before they were born. Since 1945, only the very stupid have openly expressed admiration for the NSDAP in the Western world. The ones with a bit of a brain have noticed that openly flying the swastika is a good way to become a social outcast.
In Germany, there are numerous links between the far-right anti-migration AfD and neofascist organizations.
Imagine you are a 25yo white nationalist in today's America. Now you could get a swastika tattoo and join the Aryan Brotherhood or something, but then you will never make a difference. Or you could join one of the two major parties, and the one closer aligned to your views are the Republicans. Of course, merely supporting mainstream Republican policy will not save the White race, you want to increase support for your own world view.
Jokes in small groups are a great way to reach a common understanding that Nazis are not icky. Obviously not everyone who plays along is a Nazi, perhaps some only like the jokes because the SJ people are whining about the Nazis all the time, but it is very much a step in the right direction, moving the overton window where you want it to go.
sodiummuffin
51m ago
Politico: ‘I love Hitler’: Leaked messages expose Young Republicans’ racist chat
This is apparently the context of the headline "I love Hitler" comment:
AD: Yea I had some back and forth with the VC in Michigan, current chair is a deer in headlights
AD: We have a call Wednesday
PG: Many agree
AD: He did say "My delegates I bring will vote for the most right wing person"
PG: Great. I love Hitler
This is obvious sarcasm mocking the idea of automatically voting for whoever is most right-wing.
Skimming the article seems to indicate this dishonesty is a systematic issue. For instance it specifically claims "the watermelon people" was referring to black people without providing context, when it very likely refers to Gaza supporters in reference to their use of the watermelon emoji as a symbol. If you search "watermelon people" on Twitter every usage I can find before this article is about Gaza, it seems to be an established term.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
54m ago
Not really much to say but "lighten up, Francis". People do use jokes for that. They also use jokes for other things. For instance, if the members of a group knows that people who don't like them much think certain jokes are beyond the pale, they might use them as a shibboleth. Or if they know what their opponents think of them, they might jokingly adopt that persona as a way of jeering in their general direction.
As Stalin once said, dark humor is like food; not everyone gets it. Doesn't mean everyone who uses it is Stalin (or Hitler)
Your position can only be taken as substantive if one believes that there is some degree of separation between X and Y. No one can demonstrate this because no such separation exists. It's just young people. The only real difference is how the Overton Window is positioned.
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