PierreMenard
2yr ago
The primary drivers of engagement were the perpetrators and their supporters social media channels, which were in turn picked up, signal boosted, and disseminated by social media dynamics the Israelis have never demonstrated functional control of.
Something happened in the Middle-East, social media users, some close to the Hamas, posted about it. Elon Musk's X let it happen because he's only 99.9% owned by the Establishment. Then Establishment media started commenting on it and finding some posts from social media users, some close to the Mossad and started spinning a story about beheaded babies. We still afaik have no evidence of these beheaded babies. Entire Western world media is now behind a massive propaganda campaign to make it acceptable to starve / bomb / gas 1 to 2 million civilians in a small urban area.
These events are completely independent to previous wars in the Middle-East and other Establishment ops.
Remember this picture ? The poor innocent child who washed up on the shore after evil Europeans did not want to take in Syrian refugees?
PierreMenard
2yr ago
Are we sure this is not due to some Russian trickery with the elections?
As we know, it's not real democracy if the people vote for the opposite of what the establishment want them to.
PierreMenard
2yr ago
Well we just have a different understanding of 'white'. You see this descriptive as a catch-all for all populations of humans with vaguely pale pinkish skin but I make a distinction between Western Europeans / Eastern Europeans / Turks / Arabs / North Africans etc. Therefore displacing certain populations out of Eastern Europe during WW2 -> made Eastern Europe whiter. Arguably this is also what Ukraine is trying to do right now, as Russians can have more Asian features than Ukrainians. But I don't really understand your conception of the 'Ukraine nation'. Is it better for Ukraine to be ruled by (Russian-speaking) Ukrainian jews or by Russians? Do Russian-speakers have a place in the Ukrainian nation?
is heavily misleading as it was almost 100% white also before German murdering spree
You're missing the other part of the sentence
100% white and Catholic
An ethnicity or ethnic group is a grouping of people who identify with each other on the basis of perceived shared attributes that distinguish them from other groups. Those attributes can include a common nation of origin, or common sets of ancestry, traditions, language, history, society, religion, or social treatment.
Likewise Israelis and Palestinians are very close in ancestry but with very important differences in culture and religion. I suppose that they do have some commonalities like their brutality toward non-kin sharing the space and their inability to love their enemies.
PierreMenard
2yr ago
(also, last time I checked it was less "hostages" and more "people hiding from rampaging russian army" - for typical and quite good reasons)
Checked what? I know some people expatriated from Donbass who are considering moving back now that it's been made part of Russia, they don't seem to think it's so bad there.
They attack civilians less than USSR and Nazi Germany.
No I was referring to the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia and the Russian destruction of Chechnya.
it is still less destructive (in both deliberate destruction and stupid self-destruction) than Russian epic efforts.
White children are in minority in many Western cities, governments are either indifferent to Christianity or hostile, migrants are still coming. Give it 20 years and nobody will think of as Western Europe as fair-skinned and Christian.
You seemed concerned with the Ukrainian culture getting destroyed, but what is the Ukrainian culture? Does it not include Christianity?
PierreMenard
2yr ago
this minorities (except barely present gypsies) were all white.
Well the point is that the nazis ethnically cleansed Poland, rendering it almost 100% white and Catholic, and Poles have had no issue keeping it nearly 100% white and Catholic under USSR-regime. I'm sure they did gain a certain %age of Russians (relatively white and Orthodox) and perhaps some other Russian minorities, but this is completely unlike what happened to Germany, getting an avalanche of slightly brown but quite islamic Turks, not to speak of UK, France, Italy, the Netherlands, etc.
Are you now claiming that it is unlike Russia that has no central-Asia migrants?
From an HBD perspective, this is not as much of a problem as African-origin migrants. If the central Asians do end up taking over Russia like the Golden Horde and pushing the more European West Russians from power, it would be a problem, but it's a large enough territory for them to share. Moreover the Russian regime seems intent on protecting Christian values like the family, unlike Western governments (and Ukraine) pushing LGBTQ+ matters on children.
PierreMenard
2yr ago
I am 100% sure it would not improve by adding 100 millions Congoleses.
PierreMenard
2yr ago
Balkan shitholes still look much better than what is probably in store for the future of Western Europe.
Fistulas are a kind of damage that is seldom seen in the developed world
In eastern Congo, however, the problem is practically an epidemic. When a truce was declared in the war there in 2003, so many cases began showing up that Western medical experts at first called it impossible—especially when local doctors declared that most of the fistulas they were seeing were the consequence of rapes. "No one wanted to believe it at first," says Lyn Lusi, manager of the HEAL Africa hospital (formerly called the Docs Hospital) in the eastern Congo city of Goma. "When our doctors first published their results, in 2003, this was unheard of."
More references to look up: necklacing;
PierreMenard
2yr ago
No matter how you call it: what they did in Mariupol, Nova Kakhovka, Bucha, Odessa and so on is not conductive to human flourishing. (and yes, this time they are less murderous than previously, though it is fairly low bar given Holodomor death toll)
What did they do?
What I remember from Mariupol was the Azov battalion taking civilian hostages underground into the metallurgy factory complex, much like what is claimed Hamas did, and the Russians waiting for them to come out or release the hostages.
Imo Russia has been far less destructive with Ukraine than the US with Iraq, or even previous wars in the area.
Also, "is not actively attempting to genocide the natives." is passed also by EU.
Encouraging invasion by millions of foreigners + discouraging native reproduction and sovereignty, branding right-wing nativist movements as 'nazi 2.0' etc counts as attempt at destroying European nations to me.
Perhaps the European population is broadly consenting to this destruction, and the intent is so diffuse and generalized that the finger cannot be pointed at any given group of people for this attempt, but the results are the same. What happened to the former countries that joined the EU should be a cautionary tale, not something a supposedly nationalist country should emulate.
PierreMenard
2yr ago
Well I don't know about Ukraine but I was talking about Poland. My point was that the nazis effectively ethnically cleansed Poland from the various minority ethnic groups that existed there at the time, and that particular post-WW2 ethnic make-up was virtually unchanged until today. Unlike what happened to Western Europe after opening themselves up to the NATO-aligned world, with the importation of great numbers of North-Africans, Middle-Easterners, Central Africans, Turks...
PierreMenard
2yr ago
In case you are unaware, as of WW II Poles (including Jews) and European Jews where overwhelmingly white with rare exception
Unless you want to argue that Ukrainians are a multi-ethnic culture including jews, the Ukrainian ethnic group would not include jews, just like jews don't consider Palestinians to be part of their ethnic group.
That is weird phrasing for what Russia did, planned or did in past.
Still left Ukrainian culture relatively intact, to the point that they think making aggressive nationalist claims in 2023 Europe is still acceptable.
Fortunately Russia is not in EU.
There are still plenty of Russian-speakers in the EU, because European borders are rather porous.
That is quite wild claim, given outright attempts to destroy cultures run by both (see also "Ukrainians and Ukraine are fake and never really existed").
Ukrainian culture exists in the sense that Russian culture exists. Are they meaningfully distinctive? Probably about as distinctive as the cultures of two different islands of Japan, or two provinces of China. What is more destructive to Ukrainian culture, having a few hundred thousands neighbors who share 98% of their culture move in and boss you around a little bit or importing millions of literal polygamous hunter-gatherers or islamic nomads + imposing pro-LGBT education/laws?
Additionally if Ukraine were to join the EU and the Schengen area, which seems to be one of the goals of the current regime, there would be 0 barrier to immigration of Russian-speaking EU citizens.
As far as I can tell about Ukrainian culture, Zelensky is at least as removed from it as the average Muscovite, and he was still speaking Russian in his official speeches a couple years before the war.
Moreover, shamelessly begging for international support does not seem to be part of the 'proud Ukrainian nationalist' ethos, but maybe I'm confused?
I am not sure whether they ever existed as ethnic group :)
Well certainly the Dutch and Belgians were slightly different from the Brits, Germans and French. Now it's all different shades of brown.
And that is both false and misleading (Nazis in Poland had very limited opportunity to murder non-white people on account of Poland having even less of them than nowadays - they murdered millions of white people).
Oh you're a holocaust denier?
PierreMenard
2yr ago
That is 2011. Any more recent data?
USSR's control of Germany ended 20 years prior, I don't see why newer data would change anything. I don't expect East Germany to have diversified faster than West Germany in the last decade, and if it did, I'd expect a good explanation to blame it on the USSR, considering that the very agents responsible for mass immigration to Europe to this day are still waging war against the ghost of the USSR.
">100 000 dead due to catastrophic economy mismanagement, maybe deliberate murder via economy sabotage" Russia is less rosy.
People die all the time. Nations die when globalists simultaneously import millions of foreigners and discourage breeding among the natives.
And "due to USSR we are noticeably poorer so migrants want to migrate elsewhere" is hardly a great incentive to be occupied by Russia again.
European civilization was explicitly defined by its Christianity according to which poverty is a virtue and excessive wealth a sin, so it's a question of point-of-view. If you want to be more 'trad' and revert to older versions of culture and civilization then this might conflict with it, and higher levels of islamic immigration might actually further your values.
Why the heck they would prefer to live under Russia? Even if you would go with "USA and Russia are equally bad"[1] then still playing empire far away against close empire makes perfect sense.
Russia is not actively attempting to genocide the natives.
Also, if you think that "fighting Russia on behalf of the EU/NATO" is happening you should discuss it with other contrarians who thing that USA supporting Ukraine is mistaken and should be isolating rather than helping Eastern Europe.
USA should not be supporting the Ukraine government sending the average Ukrainian man who has not fled the country yet to his death.
Not sure what you mean by isolating. Foreign policy does not have to be a 2-position switch between Cuba-style blockade and CIA-led 'color revolution'. Perhaps the US could consider trading without meddling politically?
Even if true, then importing Palestinians is still going to boost them.
Boost what? It's certainly going to make european governments more authoritarian, but just because they police the migrants harder does not mean that they will stop oppressing the natives. If anything, the post-9/11 policies enacted by the West have mostly been used to send right-wingers to jail over facebook posts or mostly peaceful election results protests.
PierreMenard
2yr ago
My hypothesis for suicide attacks is that they would be a way to manage mental illness in the Middle-East.
While in the US disturbed, isolated teenagers may become fodder for gun control fed conspiracies, in the Middle-East they could serve as a tribute to the local islamists. While the family may not necessarily approve of the insurgents' actions, giving away their failson would be better than any other family member or other forms of extortions. If they do approve of the insurgency, then it may be the most effective way a particularly defective family member may contribute to it.
PierreMenard
2yr ago
I don't see the big deal. Clearly you are both adults that have been presumably been involved for a while and yet she is still your 'girlfriend'. If you were anything but a current-year-feminist you would go from 'woman I am courting' to 'fiancée' to 'wife'.
She would be too busy making friends with soon-to-be mothers or mothers to entertain they/them and this would not even come up. As far as language policing goes, you would be having arguments over which racial slurs are acceptable to say in front of your offspring.
What is it to you?
My 'girlfriend' is 1% more progressive than me, what am I gonna do?
Ancestors cry just the same.
Balkanize into Rand-approved fiefdoms from sea to sea?
Where do you think the verb 'balkanize' even come from?
but I find it a more credible path to supporting your values than throwing your nation out the window.
Good luck teaching half a billion Africans your 'values'. There is no European civilization without Europeans.
This is how 'right-wing' voting works.
current immigration level 100K/year
right-wing talking head: "The left wants to take in 500K immigrants per year, but we listen to the voters and will reduce immigration!"
immigration level becomes 200K/year
Rinse and repeat The people who control the media are the ones deciding what voters care about, and they will never give a platform to somebody further right than left-wingers 5 years ago.
PierreMenard
2yr ago
It's hard to explain. The traditionalist right pretty much died out when the USSR and Americans allied to crush them. Then whatever fringe was left was crushed by a combination of consumerism (industrial society), chemical warfare (contraception), and massive amount of propaganda. Anyone with eyes can see that Western (American) media is a much bigger threat to native cultures than anything coming out of Russia or China. Perhaps because the West is the most effective vehicle of the Industrial Revolution. A less effective ruler can be a good thing, if the ruler's objectives are opposite to the survival of your people.
From an actual ethnonationalist point of view, people in Estonia, Latvia and to a lesser extent Lithuania certainly remember that rule by USSR meant a real, existing risk of their nationalities really, genuinely becoming minorities in their titular homelands
Yes or they could have been Belgians. I doubt Belgians will exist as an ethnic group in the next 50 years, after so charitably hosting the EU parasite. Meanwhile Poland is just as white as the Nazi ethnic cleansing left it.
PierreMenard
2yr ago
Nothing wrong with having your own country with ethnic preference for your kin and discrimination against non-kin, strong border walls, and brutality against foreign intruders. The issue is when Israeli/Israel supporters tell us we can't have it in our own country. For example the ADL as highlighted by Carlson. It's not the police brutality, the bombing of innocent civilians, the colonization... it's the hypocrisy.
PierreMenard
2yr ago
From an ethno-nationalist point of view, rule by USSR had much better consequences than rule by EU/NATO-aligned globalists. See this convenient experiment in Germany.
On the other hand, if you're talking about some kind of authoritarianism/freedom axis, surely Europe is becoming more right-wing one migrant at a time. Sharia law soon brothers. Now that's trad.
PierreMenard
2yr ago
Unless someone plays 7D chess and really wants right across Europe to win elections.
Voting "right-wing" literally does not do anything in Western Europe. In Eastern-Europe "right-wing" voters still overwhelmingly support fighting Russia on behalf of the EU/NATO while simultaneously asking EU politely to stop sending migrants. The only way out of this endless All-Star loop Europe is stuck in is through violent revolution and rejection of democratic institutions.
PierreMenard
2yr ago
If the issue for Palestinians is that they want to be free of rule by jews, moving to Europe is not a solution. Most if not all European countries have anti-antisemitism laws and anti-islam laws. While Palestinians would necessarily be more materially comfortable in Europe or almost anywhere else, they could never obtain the weapons and training readily available at home if they aspire to fight jewish rule.
Israel and the US share too many overlapping values for America to take the side of any of its enemies. I mean, Tel Aviv has gay pride parades!
But that is a direct result of Jewish representation among American government officials and media corporations, according to Joe Biden. How much of Blinken's commitment to the global LGBT-evangelization comes from his 'American values' vs his own ethnic motivations?
Israel expresses a general disregard of European-developed conventions regarding warfare, and resists disclosure of its nuclear, chemical, unconventional weaponry. It could even be surmised that a similarly hostile attitude to war-regulations from the US could stem from the Jewish influence exposed by Joe Biden. Indeed, it is much easier for Israel not to adhere to the ICC or the CCM if they can hide behind the largest Western "democracy" doing the same.
While Western militaries are no stranger to war crimes in the past century, these war-crimes were usually means to the end of eradicating nationalist, ethnocentric rivals, as in Dresden or Hiroshima. On the other hand, Israel wields civilian bombings, blockades and police brutality in order to preserve its own apartheid ethnostate. Unlike in Israel, the only boots-clad parades approved for ethnic Europeans are the ones 'celebrating' their disappearance as a people.
PierreMenard
2yr ago
Which country would qualify this standard?
Israelis and Arabs and Muslims and Jews living side by side with equal rights
Jews usually have protected statuses in Western countries, with specific laws or law enforcement rules protecting them, social media companies having antisemitism-specific regulations and anti-antisemitism groups openly controlling their content... Meanwhile there are anti-muslims rules and laws against hijabs, mosque building, honor-killing, etc. It seems to me that it would be hard to say that muslims and jews have equal rights in the West.
PierreMenard
2yr ago
Perhaps these so-called democracy-enjoyers should think a little more about breeding if they are concerned about the country democratically turning into a theocracy. Why does it even matter to them anyway? Most of them will probably be dead by the time it becomes a theocracy, and if they are not, they can still probably enjoy the spoils of some other dying democracy.
Well in a way it does if equal rights implies freedom to practice your religion.
I don't know much about the Quran but my understanding is that it's about a warlord who goes around killing his enemies and making their women his wives. Meanwhile I think the Talmud is about a bunch of proto-lawyers bickering about different ways to interpret God's commands so as to not have to obey the most straightforward interpretation of it.
For example instead of staying home on Saturday as ordered by their God, they can claim the whole territory of NYC as their 'home' by creating a symbolic barrier all around it called an eruv.
Muslims who in my opinion have a more violent practice of their religion (as seen with violent bombings, beheadings, stabbings) are under a lot more scrutiny than jews who are experts at lawfare.
Hundreds of millions are probably spent to fight terrorism but white-collar criminals are more likely to get away with it, and some other types of crimes can also end up celebrated.
A few thousands deaths to explosive devices got us the Patriot Act and global internet surveillance meanwhile millions of death to opioids or abortion barely get any legislative action.
Tremendous efforts have been deployed to protect the general public from harms that can nebulously be attributed to islamic enthusiasts, while the harms that can nebulously be attributed to judaism enthusiasm have seen a great reduction in their quelling, from historical precedents.
As you yourself admitted, any problems committed by muslims in the West could also be blamed on jews:
What we have now is angry muslims violently protesting in the West, clashing with native police forces on behalf of the jews who are the ones who made them angry, and who are the ones who facilitated their arrival in the first place.
If some far-left groups are now suggesting to make muslims a protected class due to historical abuse by people in power in the Middle-East (ie Israeli or British colonizers etc), and get their way, then perhaps the balance will be somewhat restored. Until then I disagree that muslims and jews have equal rights in the West.
Or you need to clarify what you mean by 'equal rights'.
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